Scambo,

Everyone wanted more. Myself included. We also have a different MEC Admin after the TA and half the reps changed over. Its a different group that is working the issues. Its the ebb and flow of the representational body. It did not get us to where we wanted to be, and it is going to take another large scale negotiation to get there. That said, there are some very big events that happened because of the TA:

I wanted a larger plan on small jet scope, but one thing it proves is that permitted flying is just that, and the amount of DCI outsourcing was reduced and previous permitted flying was brought back to mainline.

More importantly the DCI carriers were in support of this recapture.

We got contract language added with ADG. It is far from perfect, but the language is added. That is a very big feat, and now that it is part of the PWA, it can be improved outside of major negotiations. Not a end game but allows incremental improvements when opportunities arise.

Reducing DPMP Plan costs to 22% and now a max escalator is needed.

There are more, but these items are a very big deal because they set a precedence or add language that can be improved.

Far from perfect,but if the LCC/AMR merger goes through pilot costs become fix costs and are no longer variable and a operational advantage for a carrier. That is where we are and that is why that merger going through matters. Its all about a long term strategic plan.

 

You are not going to find anyone that disagrees. I don't FDX has a six hr min day. I would love a min day, and I would like six hrs. It forces Carmen in to better rotation solutions because it costs money to park pilots in a hotel for a day and work em the other days on the rotation. Its about adding financial disincentives to create a more palatable solution for our pilots, not to get paid for free.

 

A technical nuance.

Some of your issues are misrepresented. He is also not saying that some of the issues are without merit, he is stating that the items you highlight and are correct are solvable and not a reason to blow a very effective structure.

 

Couldn't help but notice that in your entire post response to scambo, you didn't once mention the main thrust of his post...the survey.

Given what I've highlighted in bold, how about a letter from all the current reps pledging that the survey results will not be withheld this time? Can you at least show us that this "new" blood in the LEC's can do this?

Carl

 

How do you intend to fully fund these financial disincentives acl? You know management will be asking you.

Carl

 

+1 .

 

Dunno 'bout that. MOU 3 seems to say that the 3 way MOU isn't part of the PWA?

 

Does it seem like Carl is getting more and more desperate on here? He was always obnoxious, but now he is just inventing more and more crap at volumes that rival a herd of cows.

 

You don't want ppl to judge DPA on liking the TA to a Chinese Forced, what again? You don't want pilots to vote on DPA because of its current leader? You don't want people to judge DPA on the fact they cannot even fill their committee structure with "5500" cards, but you judge a very well written Chairman's letter on one word? That's level handed isn't it.

On top of it, its indicative of the fact that it was directed at the organization and not pilots, but that did not work for you so now terming it as an attack on pilots and frankly playing the victim.

You want results, the letter from Jerry, is the same old talking points and every one wants that, but wants do not equate to results without a collective effort on a global, national and local focus.


If there are talking points I am not reading them. The same points that were true then are true today. You still are not listening. DPA is using emotion to get cards. Emotion does not yield results at the table, you know that. Emotions gain cards in a card count, and its a great marketing campaign but not much else.


ALPA has been positing factual retorts, finally. Now the retort is don't retort show me results, when the results are there, it will be about the process, and when the process finally morphs as direct pilot input dictates it, it will be about something else. You are going after emotions and emotional reactions refuse to look at facts. If facts were all that mattered, we would not even be discussing DPA. Pilots want more, don't look at the industry, and respond by getting ****ed and picking the easiest target; ALPA and sending ALPA a message but dropping a card which makes em feel better, but solves nothing but moving us closer to a vote and a possible train wreck for our careers.

 

Technical nuance...that's funny.

I guess this is as far as you can go in saying ALPA's got problems. At least shiznit comes right out and says ALPA's got problems. Admitting you've got problems is certainly step 1 in any recovery.

Step 2 is pledging that the DALPA MEC will never again agree to the outsourcing of any more Delta pilot jobs under any circumstance regardless of the perceived gain, never agree to anything that aids the continuance of any idea that outsources Delta pilot jobs, and will demand sunsetting of all current contracts that outsource a single Delta pilot job. Anything like that on the horizon ACL? It'd be a damn good step 2.

Carl