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Old 09-15-2013 | 11:11 AM
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Default The latest Vectors email from the Delta MEC:

This is a paragraph from the Delta MEC's Vectors Email:

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Congress Returns to “Work”: All Delta pilots are asked to contact their congressional delegation concerning the four current grassroots Call-to-Action issues: The Safe Skies Act of 2013; Stop the Creation of a New CBP Preclearance Site in Abu Dhabi; H.R. 1775 - the Saracini Aviation Safety Act of 2013; and to oppose elimination of funding for the FFDO program.

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Was it really wise to put quotation marks around the word "Work"? We are actively lobbying the Congress on issues vital to our careers. And now this email from the Delta pilots' representatives takes a rather cheap shot at the very group we're lobbying.

This email needs to retracted or edited right away. Regardless of whether you're DPA or ALPA, this kind of thing hurts us all.

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Old 09-15-2013 | 12:36 PM
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Or, it could be they return to their "work" place, after having time in their Districts, where they work also. They had a constituent work week, then Yom Kippur. The 10th through 20th is back on the Hill.
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Old 09-15-2013 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

This email needs to retracted or edited right away. Regardless of whether you're DPA or ALPA, this kind of thing hurts us all.

Carl
Or this is drama for drama's sake.
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Old 09-15-2013 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Or this is drama for drama's sake.
I don't like it when people simply fail to address the issues, and resort to this sort of commentary. This is about whether or not we should switch to the DPA, based on the merit of their argument.

This item is as valid an argument for the DPA as any, on the last few pages of this thread. Probably more substantive than average, actually.

Just address the "issue": pro-quotation marks, anti-quotation marks?
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Old 09-16-2013 | 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
I don't like it when people simply fail to address the issues, and resort to this sort of commentary. This is about whether or not we should switch to the DPA, based on the merit of their argument.
No, I was referring to the call for the union to redact the word "work" from an email that Carl so passionately called for. Much ado about nothing.

As far as DPA vs DALPA, sorry, but frankly I'm ready to get rid of both. ALPA has it's issues, but I haven't heard or read anything from DPA to assure me that they are not the same crap, recycled. My feeling was that DPA could have been something, but now? Their cheerleaders are just as obnoxious and annoying as ALPA's and have quite an off putting attitude.
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Old 09-16-2013 | 04:45 AM
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After a rough few weeks, I just realized I'm worse off now than I was before C12.

I may get a little more money. But the minor pay increase is just not worth being required to work more. And before johnso29 jumps in--I drop as much as I can. Which is none in the summertime.
I guess I don't understand the "time value of money." But I sure do understand the "time value" of QOL.

It's OK though--"We'll get 'em next time."
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Old 09-16-2013 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
After a rough few weeks, I just realized I'm worse off now than I was before C12.

I may get a little more money. But the minor pay increase is just not worth being required to work more. And before johnso29 jumps in--I drop as much as I can. Which is none in the summertime.
I guess I don't understand the "time value of money." But I sure do understand the "time value" of QOL.

It's OK though--"We'll get 'em next time."
Is it the PWA or is it company staffing levels? Seeing the amount of greenslips that went out this summer in certain categories and the company announcing hiring means we're short guys. Can you please elaborate on your above post. Line holder/reserve, fleet and monthly credit? Thanks.
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Old 09-16-2013 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
Is it the PWA or is it company staffing levels? Seeing the amount of greenslips that went out this summer in certain categories and the company announcing hiring means we're short guys. Can you please elaborate on your above post. Line holder/reserve, fleet and monthly credit? Thanks.
I was going to throw out the red flag on this one as well. I am in the bottom 300-400 and was still able to drop pretty much anything I wanted this summer. I was also monitoring other categories reserves available to decide where I would like to be displaced to next. The only time this would be true even this last summer with green slips flowing would be POTENTIALLY weekends and for the most part only those if you waited to put in a drop. The worst case would probably be the guy stuck on weekend reserve on ATL MD-88- weekdays even in the workhorse category were usually OK for dropping. But if your really dropped everything except your Saturday and Sunday I would hardly call that working your butt off.

I'm not saying Purple did or did not work a lot this summer, but if I'm senior to him, it's not by much, and I was able to drop pretty much anything I wanted, including the entire month of August. Also the source of the rant was that the new contract is what made it so tough for him to drop. That is, if fact, completely untrue. The new contract made pretty much zero changes to the reserves required/available/personal drop rules.
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Old 09-16-2013 | 06:19 AM
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Old 09-16-2013 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
No, I was referring to the call for the union to redact the word "work" from an email that Carl so passionately called for.
I did not call for them to redact the word, I questioned why they felt the need to put quotation marks around the word:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Was it really wise to put quotation marks around the word "Work"?
The news media and even the US President has been referring to the Congress as a "do nothing Congress." They have very low poll numbers. Putting quotation marks around the word "work" has a clear meaning. Just like when I have referred to ALPA as a "union".

So again I ask the question: Was it wise to describe the Congress this way when we (ALPA) are lobbying that very body for protection against some very real threats to our job? It was clearly somebody on the Delta MEC trying to be funny and hip in order to dump on the Congress like everyone is doing now. I'm just saying it was a dumb and unforced error to insult the Congress this way when we're lobbying them.

Carl
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