No. Its because they voluntarily took a job at a non-Union carrier that is undercutting Union contracts. That, by Webster's definition, makes them scabs.

On the other hand, Skywest is non-Union. However, they pay MORE than Unionized regional operators. That takes them out of that definition. Skywest pilots are welcome to ride my jumpseat.

Its only the guys who knowingly undercut my contract who can go pound sand. That means B6 and VX if they ever get a certificate.

 

If you can't afford to pay what it costs to fly, go Greyhound. Why should I subsidize your travel with pay cuts?

 

If you can't afford to pay what it costs to fly, go Greyhound. Why should I subsidize your travel with pay cuts?

How do you know I can't afford it? That's kind of presumptuous, let alone arrogant. Why should I subsidize your income with some of mine? Provide your service and let the market set the price. I'll fly if I see the value and it's worth it to me. You keep flying if it's worth to you. It's a free market economy.

We all make choices.

 

There you go again worshiping at the alter of a pure free market economy.. which we don't live in btw.


So I suppose you don't have a problem with tennis shoes made in China in slave shops? OR a problem sending radiologists work to India? or Honeywell doing a lot of it's software engineering in India, and the so on... all you care about is that the Walmart blue light (or what ever color) special is on?

This is what I call moral bankruptcy.. and who wins from your attitude? The greedy corporations. Free markets need to be tempered and balanced with protections. Even the stock market has them.

 

Ironically, the domestic US airline industry is one of the last ones protected from overseas competition. I don't ever recall seeing an Air-India flight from Dallas to Cleveland.

And no- I'm no fan of cabotage.

Why do people buy at Wal-Mart. In many respects they have to. All the good manufacuring jobs that used to be in their town are gone. But hey all of our 401K's are doing great, aren't they. Stocks are up- but I've got no job.

Personally, I try to avoid Wal-Mart AND Home Depot. They sell crap and are NOT the best employers. But they exist and they are legal, so the little ACE Hardware has to compete with them. Of course the local guy at ACE competes on service and quality. When was the last time an airline did that? Or are the airlines just doing the traveling public a favor?

This is what I call moral bankruptcy.. and who wins from your attitude? Based on this argument and what I've seen on this site- I shouldn't fly at all. Or buy anything.

 

now you're being sensible OldAg84.. I assume you're in your 80's by your screen name, and if so.. surely you recall a time when there was still service at the Airlines and the walmart effect was not as pronounced in our economy, both in retail and services. None of this can or will ever change if people don't demand it to.

 

Velocipede,

I'm fairly new here, but if I had to guess, you've been Kasherated. Am I right?

 

You might say the entire industry has been.

 

V(dumba**),
If you're so angry about professional people undercutting other professional people with the discriminating factor being unionization or not, please don't limit your hatred, put your efforts into the public forum to push for the prosecution of employers that hire illegal aliens, and those aliens that take jobs from Americans. Get off the 'Union' bandwagon. You seem to condem anyone that depresses your wages. So why aren't you on the path fighting illegals depressing American wages? Answer: 'cuz it's not your wages and you want to get your "lawn mowed for $4/hr".

You are so self-centered and hypocritical that you are definitely in the 1% that every pilot group has. The ones we wish that we could get rid of but can't because of the 'union'.

 

Seems this thread has "wandered" off the original subject. As to the "named CEO" of Virgin America, looks like "Enron Don" Carty, who lied to his employees and sold fuel hedges to fund a retirement scheme for executives, is moving on to greener pastures. I wouldn't hold my breath for Branson's Folly...

Jetblaster


Carty's salary to be $700K: Dell's incoming CFO to make more than chief of former firm, AMR 02:41 a.m. 12/21/2006 Provided by
Dec 21, 2006 (The Dallas Morning News - McClatchy-Tribune Business News via COMTEX) -- Donald J. Carty, who resigned in 2003 as chief executive of AMR Corp. after an uproar over executive perks, will make $700,000 a year in salary as chief financial officer of Dell Inc., the company said Wednesday.
Mr. Carty was earning more at AMR, with an $811,125 salary in his last year with the company. But in his new job at Dell, he will get a bigger paycheck than AMR's current chief executive. Gerard Arpey earns $650,000 a year at the parent of American Airlines Inc.
Mr. Carty's salary is also bigger than that of outgoing Dell chief financial officer James M. Schneider, who earns $620,000 annually.
In addition to his CFO title, Mr. Carty will be Dell's vice chairman, a role Mr. Schneider doesn't have. Mr. Schneider will leave Dell at the end of January.
Dell, based in the Austin suburb of Round Rock, announced it hired Mr. Carty on Tuesday. The computer maker disclosed his salary in a regulatory filing Wednesday with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
In addition to his salary, Mr. Carty, 60, will be eligible for a bonus tied to the company's performance. He'll also get restricted stock units and stock options, the filing said.
Mr. Carty resigned from Fort Worth-based AMR in 2003 after 25 years with the company.
Labor groups that had accepted major concessions to keep American out of bankruptcy court became incensed when they learned about special incentives for executives.
That history didn't appear to be a factor in Dell's compensation package for Mr. Carty, said Greg Bustin, a Dallas business consultant. Mr. Carty is being paid for his experience, he said.
"The past is the past," Mr. Bustin said Wednesday. "Here's a seasoned guy who has run a really large company in a time of a lot of adversity. And he did a lot of right things."
Dell is under an SEC investigation into its accounting practices. The company has said only that the inquiry involves accruals, reserves and other balance sheet items in its financial statements.
Mr. Carty has been a Dell board member since 1992 and has headed the board's audit committee for much of that time.
Mr. Carty could not be reached for comment Wednesday.
Dell shares fell 36 cents to $25.77.
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