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12-08-2006 | 06:29 AM
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Most of them are going in as intial cadre check airman. I'm sure their compensation package will be above the advertised rate.
What would you do if you were over 50? Apply to CAL and wait for the crappy 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year pay to catch up? And that's at YOUR 4th year wide rate.
Most of these guys were maxed out on the CRJ pay scales and made more than a 5 year wide FO at CAL would make. Note, I said CRJ rate. When they went to the Airbus I can bet you they were making just as much, if not more, than a 3rd year CAL narrow CA makes.
So, I'll ask again, if you were over 50 and had to start over again watched your company go down the drain, and were worried about your retirement, what exactly would you do?
Start at the botton of some airline with crappy pay and no insurance for 6 months, or take a job as a CA and a MUCH higher pay rate?
It's OK, you don't really need to answer.
What would you do if you were over 50? Apply to CAL and wait for the crappy 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year pay to catch up? And that's at YOUR 4th year wide rate.
Most of these guys were maxed out on the CRJ pay scales and made more than a 5 year wide FO at CAL would make. Note, I said CRJ rate. When they went to the Airbus I can bet you they were making just as much, if not more, than a 3rd year CAL narrow CA makes.
So, I'll ask again, if you were over 50 and had to start over again watched your company go down the drain, and were worried about your retirement, what exactly would you do?
Start at the botton of some airline with crappy pay and no insurance for 6 months, or take a job as a CA and a MUCH higher pay rate?
It's OK, you don't really need to answer.
I have no issue with I-Air guys at all. The meat of my comment comes from the fact that they went through hell at I-Air as it struggled and ultimately failed in the industry. I would think that of anybody wanting to avoid starting at an iffy operation with substandard pay rates it would be them. Most people who get hurt by something in life will usually go out of their way to avoid it a second time. If they choose not to, the results will be of their choosing.
I don't agree with their choices, but then again I don't have to deal with the consequences - good or bad.
12-08-2006 | 06:48 AM
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Why? If you ask them for the favor, then you are morally obligated to reciprocate. I don't ask them for anything and I don't give them anything.
If they ask me for a jumpseat, my response is "Jumpseating is a privilege we acquired in our Union contract. I don't extend Union privileges to non-Union pilots." I usually don't add, "so pound sand" unless they get argumentative.
12-08-2006 | 07:06 AM
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Because CAL had scabs cross back in '83, you are saying the guys hired since then have no right to voice concern about guys trying to get ahead by undercutting everyone...I share a beef w/ a ton of guys who are concerned about what pilots are willing to do to get a job and get ahead of the line...
12-08-2006 | 09:57 AM
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I tried reading them twice, but your spelling and grammar are so poor, its impossible to understand what you're trying to say.
The jumpseat coordinator doesn't control the jumpseat...the CAPTAIN does. The job of the jumpseat coordinator is to maximize the jumpseat opportunities for the individual MEC pilot group. He doesn't tell me who I can allow the privilege of jumpseating. As far as I'm concerned, Union pilots shouldn't even be asking B6, VX or gojets "pilots" for jumpseats.
Why? If you ask them for the favor, then you are morally obligated to reciprocate. I don't ask them for anything and I don't give them anything.
If they ask me for a jumpseat, my response is "Jumpseating is a privilege we acquired in our Union contract. I don't extend Union privileges to non-Union pilots." I usually don't add, "so pound sand" unless they get argumentative.
The jumpseat coordinator doesn't control the jumpseat...the CAPTAIN does. The job of the jumpseat coordinator is to maximize the jumpseat opportunities for the individual MEC pilot group. He doesn't tell me who I can allow the privilege of jumpseating. As far as I'm concerned, Union pilots shouldn't even be asking B6, VX or gojets "pilots" for jumpseats.
Why? If you ask them for the favor, then you are morally obligated to reciprocate. I don't ask them for anything and I don't give them anything.
If they ask me for a jumpseat, my response is "Jumpseating is a privilege we acquired in our Union contract. I don't extend Union privileges to non-Union pilots." I usually don't add, "so pound sand" unless they get argumentative.
I'm gonna take a guess here, you don't commute do you? If so, you probably never had to commute off line?
Every airline has their 10%, and I think it's clear where you are on that 90/10 line.
12-08-2006 | 12:29 PM
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Virtually all are college grads. You mean to tell me they couldn't find a non-flying job to support the family? Of course, that would mean working 9-5 5 days a week. Omigod, don't ask an airline pilot to stoop that low.
Better to stab the guys who didn't get the furlough letter in the back. Not to mention the rest of the unionized industry. What's the result?
Since B6 was founded, AAA and UAL have had their salaries cut $80 an hour to match B6. The lost their pensions to match B6.
Professional? I don't square up on them. I don't shout "SCAB" at them.
I deny them the jumpseat and shun them. And that's better than they deserve.
12-08-2006 | 02:53 PM
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The legacy airlines are re-calling, and most others are hiring. By taking a job at Virgin you truly are a punkass. I'm only an FO but I'll have no problem telling you are not welcome on the jumpseat.
If one of your reasons for working at Virgin is hot Flight Attendants, you are a frickin Barney.
If one of your reasons for working at Virgin is hot Flight Attendants, you are a frickin Barney.
12-09-2006 | 01:06 PM
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The legacy airlines are re-calling, and most others are hiring. By taking a job at Virgin you truly are a punkass. I'm only an FO but I'll have no problem telling you are not welcome on the jumpseat.
If one of your reasons for working at Virgin is hot Flight Attendants, you are a frickin Barney.
If one of your reasons for working at Virgin is hot Flight Attendants, you are a frickin Barney.
12-09-2006 | 07:11 PM
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The legacy airlines are re-calling, and most others are hiring. By taking a job at Virgin you truly are a punkass. I'm only an FO but I'll have no problem telling you are not welcome on the jumpseat.
If one of your reasons for working at Virgin is hot Flight Attendants, you are a frickin Barney.
If one of your reasons for working at Virgin is hot Flight Attendants, you are a frickin Barney.
12-09-2006 | 07:22 PM
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This statement is so stupid it's actually funny. Imagine this a fellow pilot slamming the door against another pilot. As if they are to blame for the free market economy. It's kind of like Walmart employee flipping off a Target employee for being on the other side. Denying a jump seat to a scab is one thing but denying a jump seat to a fellow pilot is just punkass in MY opinion. If that was the case than jump seats wouldn't exist because after all aren't we all competing against each other? Give me a break, management has turned us all against each other.
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