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Old 11-21-2016, 01:17 PM
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A degree or lack of has absolutely nothing to do with flying skills, period. Those people who didn't make it through probation had other issues other than the lack of a degree. It would be silly to think the lack of a degree was their cause of termination. Totally irrelevant
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Old 11-21-2016, 03:48 PM
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It depends. Are you a govvie or contractor? LEO, DoD, etc? What type of equipment/missions do you fly? Any trips though the sandbox? I hate to give this advice, but maybe you should do a lap through one of the job fairs and see what the hiring bubbas have to say about your competitiveness. I think Jet Blue will treat you like a vet. They do with school teachers, police, paramedics etc.
Government, LEO, DHC-8. Sandbox trip while in military years ago. I am a veteran.

Going to a regional even with the "better" pay is still a $70k pay cut. I have no debt and money in the bank but that is still VERY steep.

At least going to a Major it is a 50k cut but almost back to normal at year two. I can take the risk of going to a Regional and hoping/praying a Major calls or task the risk of staying where I am and never get a call.

Very confusing.
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Old 11-21-2016, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wink View Post
What was the pilot terminated for?

And the number has to be more than 3, i personally know 2 pilots at UAL without degrees and i highly doubt i coincidentally know the only 2.

Additionally, those 2 had outstanding qualifications and only lacked a degree.

Were they 2014-2015 new hires? I think that was where the UA data came from.
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Old 11-21-2016, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pattersons04 View Post
Government, LEO, DHC-8. Sandbox trip while in military years ago. I am a veteran.

Going to a regional even with the "better" pay is still a $70k pay cut. I have no debt and money in the bank but that is still VERY steep.

At least going to a Major it is a 50k cut but almost back to normal at year two. I can take the risk of going to a Regional and hoping/praying a Major calls or task the risk of staying where I am and never get a call.

Very confusing.
Have you looked at LCCs or somewhere like Atlas?
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Old 11-22-2016, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback View Post
Still hired. But UA's recent experience is now - only 2/3's of non degreed new hires make it through probation. That bodes poorly for UA's desire to high more non degreed pilots.
Indeed he was still hired.

The point was, there are VERY FEW pilot without a degree at UAL.

And after the spring of this year, 1 fewer....
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Old 11-22-2016, 05:08 AM
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I think the degree thing is relevant.

Shows lack of commitment and follow through.

Let's not kid ourselves. If you know a degree is required to get the job, and if you are too slack to even go and finish one online, you are just plain lazy.

(Why anyone puts decades of effort into getting to this level, but then won't even take a few hours a week to bang out a simple online degree is just beyond me.)
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Old 11-22-2016, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback View Post
Were they 2014-2015 new hires? I think that was where the UA data came from.
They were in the same class coincidentally. Fall 2015
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Old 11-22-2016, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NYC Pilot View Post
A degree or lack of has absolutely nothing to do with flying skills, period. Those people who didn't make it through probation had other issues other than the lack of a degree. It would be silly to think the lack of a degree was their cause of termination. Totally irrelevant
Someone demonstrating through higher education that they can "think" and "learn" will always have an edge when it comes to hiring. Add to that being able to fly an airplane, program a computer, serve as a nurse... or whatever the "skill" is, succeeds any value you already provide.

I agree that there must have been other issues if they were already found qualified and hired. But discrediting the value of posessing a degree while performing a skilled job is a self serving waste of time.
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Old 11-22-2016, 04:01 PM
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Someday this whole college degree thing being the barometer for someone to show "cognition" and "the ability to see a challenge to its end" (i'm sick of that BS one BTW...although it has a tiny bit of merit) will slowly go away in the wake of what is happening on college campuses lately what with all of the protesting/"offending" going on from halloween costumes to what are we allowed or not allowed to call transgenders.

At some point...the airplane just needs to be flown..safely.
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Old 11-22-2016, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Learflyer View Post
Someday this whole college degree thing being the barometer for someone to show "cognition" and "the ability to see a challenge to its end" (i'm sick of that BS one BTW...although it has a tiny bit of merit) will slowly go away in the wake of what is happening on college campuses lately what with all of the protesting/"offending" going on from halloween costumes to what are we allowed or not allowed to call transgenders.

At some point...the airplane just needs to be flown..safely.



English major? Kind of ironic that your rant about college being basically useless was almost unintelligible due to it being the world's longest run on sentence.
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