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Old 04-14-2015, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Griff89 View Post
Is that pro-rated for 6 weeks or is it a $3800 if it takes 4 weeks or 6 weeks?
The reply above this answered your question for UAL, 90 hours per month, so if training takes 1 month you get 90 hours...2 months you'd get 180 hours.
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Old 04-15-2015, 11:27 AM
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92% or something like that of cockpit crew are white males , nobody is holding you back, if you aren't getting the call the solution can probably be found in the mirror, the GV FO isn't holding you back, so yes quit whining
"Quit whining". Really? That's your answer? How about hiring equality. Affirmative action should be history. I made it to the top of the airline pay scale, but what about those who are younger & trying to get a job, only to realize the hiring isn't on a level playing field.
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Old 04-15-2015, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Whaledrivr View Post
"Quit whining". Really? That's your answer? How about hiring equality. Affirmative action should be history. I made it to the top of the airline pay scale, but what about those who are younger & trying to get a job, only to realize the hiring isn't on a level playing field.
I'm just curious if you think total time is the be all/end all of qualification. Im not poo pooing your opinion at all, I agree affirmative action isn't the right answer. A lot of military (including me) are hired at a LOT lower total time. Why do you think that is?
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Old 04-15-2015, 12:05 PM
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I agree affirmative action isn't the right answer. A lot of military (including me) are hired at a LOT lower total time. Why do you think that is?
Forgive me, but if you want to beat the dead horse argument on why mil has lower time vs civ demographic, you're going off on a stale/worn out all too often discussed tangential topic. It's not a mil vs. civ peeing contest.

Keep it to the bold.
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Old 04-15-2015, 12:19 PM
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Forgive me, but if you want to beat the dead horse argument on why mil has lower time vs civ demographic, you're going off on a stale/worn out all too often discussed tangential topic. It's not a mil vs. civ peeing contest.

Keep it to the bold.
Not arguing the dead horse there, just saying there are other "unfair" ways to get hired. Nepotism for example, or just having LOTS of inside people on your side. There will always be unfairness one way or another. It would just be nice if everyone could just be happy for the ones who get hired and not make it such a hostile environment.
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Old 04-15-2015, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sarahswhere View Post
Not arguing the dead horse there, just saying there are other "unfair" ways to get hired. Nepotism for example, or just having LOTS of inside people on your side. There will always be unfairness one way or another. It would just be nice if everyone could just be happy for the ones who get hired and not make it such a hostile environment.
And conversely, for those that have ZERO reservations saying that various connections helped them out DONT need to brag/boast about how hard they "worked" to get there.

Guess what? There will ALWAYS be somebody that worked harder than you, often they won't brag nor complain about it. And to take it further, there will ALWAYS be somebody that's STILL working harder than you to make it. ALWAYS been that way, ALWAYS gonna be that way.....

If you've been in this game a while, like MANY of us, this is obvious. Especially if you've been through downgrade/displacement/paycut/furlough/shutdown cycle. Being aware of one's audience can be importan. If you haven't, I've heard that humble pie is pretty good. Just sayin'....
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Old 04-15-2015, 12:35 PM
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And conversely, for those that have ZERO reservations saying that various connections helped them out DONT need to brag/boast about how hard they "worked" to get there.

Guess what? There will ALWAYS be somebody that worked harder than you, often they won't brag nor complain about it. And to take it further, there will ALWAYS be somebody that's STILL working harder than you to make it. ALWAYS been that way, ALWAYS gonna be that way.....

If you've been in this game a while, like MANY of us, this is obvious. Especially if you've been through downgrade/displacement/paycut/furlough/shutdown cycle. Being aware of one's audience can be importan. If you haven't, I've heard that humble pie is pretty good. Just sayin'....
I agree with you, which is why I'm saying complaining about the ways people get hired is a wasteful thing to get upset about.
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Old 04-15-2015, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sarahswhere View Post
I agree with you, which is why I'm saying complaining about the ways people get hired is a wasteful thing to get upset about.
And complaining about the complainers when there's a Crap-ton that have worked harder wit less to show is a wasteful thing to get upset about.
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Old 04-15-2015, 12:43 PM
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And complaining about the complainers when there's a Crap-ton that have worked harder wit less to show is a wasteful thing to get upset about.
I'm not upset. Very little makes me upset. I don't compare how hard anyone else has worked compared to me, it's impossible to determine.
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Old 04-15-2015, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Whaledrivr View Post
"Quit whining". Really? That's your answer? How about hiring equality. Affirmative action should be history. I made it to the top of the airline pay scale, but what about those who are younger & trying to get a job, only to realize the hiring isn't on a level playing field.
Oh good for you, quit whining is sufficient, and I got news for you pal our demographic isn't exactly an oppressed put upon minority, and it's a pretty level field when you look at the total demographic make up of the U.S. airline/ cargo/ corporate pilot force. But if it makes you feel better by all means pout about it. The airlines are hiring thousands right now, thousands, and the vast majority hired look like Han Solo, not Princess Leia.
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