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#2311
New Hire
Joined: Jul 2015
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From: Cleaning the Lav
Southwest CJO 12/19/2016
Interviewed 12/5/2016
All Civilian
Close to 2,000 Turbine PIC
5 Type Ratings: C525S, C560, LR45, CL30, A320
3 classes away from finishing my Masters Degree (scheduled to finish Spring 2017).
Bachelors Degree
Former Part 91 Chief Pilot
Former Part 135/91K Instructor Pilot/Training Department
Current A320 First Officer
Business Owner with Lots of volunteer work
I highly recommend Centerline Interview Consulting especially for your app review which is the first major hurdle in getting an interview invite. They found things on my app I had overlooked the last couple of years and really helped clean up my application and resume. They were also very helpful in getting me ready for the interview. Their approach in helping me organize my thoughts made me feel completely comfortable throughout the entire interview process.
I feel humbled and blessed with the opportunity, good luck to everyone.
Interviewed 12/5/2016
All Civilian
Close to 2,000 Turbine PIC
5 Type Ratings: C525S, C560, LR45, CL30, A320
3 classes away from finishing my Masters Degree (scheduled to finish Spring 2017).
Bachelors Degree
Former Part 91 Chief Pilot
Former Part 135/91K Instructor Pilot/Training Department
Current A320 First Officer
Business Owner with Lots of volunteer work
I highly recommend Centerline Interview Consulting especially for your app review which is the first major hurdle in getting an interview invite. They found things on my app I had overlooked the last couple of years and really helped clean up my application and resume. They were also very helpful in getting me ready for the interview. Their approach in helping me organize my thoughts made me feel completely comfortable throughout the entire interview process.
I feel humbled and blessed with the opportunity, good luck to everyone.
#2312
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 6,430
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From: Window seat
Maybe. Maybe not. Will SWA only fly 737's domestically for the next 30 years? I can't say, but I highly doubt it. A lot happens over the course of a career.
Not knocking United at all, but many also had the wonderful opportunity to be furloughed for years.
Choose your own adventure.
Not knocking United at all, but many also had the wonderful opportunity to be furloughed for years.
Choose your own adventure.
The retirement numbers generate crazy scenarios that we havn't seen in the past.
Upgrade and furloughs? Using Tallflyer's retirement numbers -
Assume SW stays the same size. That's about an 11 year upgrade (2027).
Assume UA hires today and furloughs 20% tomorrow and stays that size. In 4.5 yrs the last UA guy furloughed would be recalled. Upgrade would be in 2025, or two years ahead of the SW guy hired at the same time who never got furloughed.
SW getting w/b flying? AA is adding a long haul city every month. It would take forty years to achieve AA long haul city pairs and UA's count is probably higher. And how senior would any future w/b flying be at SW? A newbie probably wouldn't see it for years and years.
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#2313
Layover Master
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 4,376
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From: Seated
The retirement numbers generate crazy scenarios that we havn't seen in the past.
Upgrade and furloughs? Using Tallflyer's retirement numbers -
Assume SW stays the same size. That's about an 11 year upgrade (2027).
Assume UA hires today and furloughs 20% tomorrow and stays that size. In 4.5 yrs the last UA guy furloughed would be recalled. Upgrade would be in 2025, or two years ahead of the SW guy hired at the same time who never got furloughed.
SW getting w/b flying? AA is adding a long haul city every month. It would take forty years to achieve AA long haul city pairs and UA's count is probably higher. And how senior would any future w/b flying be at SW? A newbie probably wouldn't see it for years and years.
Upgrade and furloughs? Using Tallflyer's retirement numbers -
Assume SW stays the same size. That's about an 11 year upgrade (2027).
Assume UA hires today and furloughs 20% tomorrow and stays that size. In 4.5 yrs the last UA guy furloughed would be recalled. Upgrade would be in 2025, or two years ahead of the SW guy hired at the same time who never got furloughed.
SW getting w/b flying? AA is adding a long haul city every month. It would take forty years to achieve AA long haul city pairs and UA's count is probably higher. And how senior would any future w/b flying be at SW? A newbie probably wouldn't see it for years and years.
Again, I'm just saying that nothing is a certainty in this industry and acting like you can predict 30 years into the future is a mistake.
It's naive.
You make good points.
#2314
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 6,430
Likes: 124
From: Window seat
AA's getting a new long haul city every *nine* months.
Everyone has to make estimates and predictions to make decisions about the future. It's unavoidable. I tried to impose a penalty on UA and non on SW to demonstrate the impact of retirements which is the only factor we can predicate. Age 67/68 or a performance based standard would just delay the inevitable.
I don't knock SW, they were the airline to get hired at during the 2000's and with hindsight the late 1990's, and are a good airline. But the industry is different today (consolidation, changes from BK, lack of fuel hedging leverage by SW) so much so that the industry might be the most stable it's ever been for the largest companies.
Everyone has to make estimates and predictions to make decisions about the future. It's unavoidable. I tried to impose a penalty on UA and non on SW to demonstrate the impact of retirements which is the only factor we can predicate. Age 67/68 or a performance based standard would just delay the inevitable.
I don't knock SW, they were the airline to get hired at during the 2000's and with hindsight the late 1990's, and are a good airline. But the industry is different today (consolidation, changes from BK, lack of fuel hedging leverage by SW) so much so that the industry might be the most stable it's ever been for the largest companies.
#2315
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 6,430
Likes: 124
From: Window seat
I'd also agree that making predictions and expecting a high degree of certainty is fraught with risk. One has to try and view the horizon the best they can and advance based on that assessment.
#2317
CFIing
Joined: Sep 2016
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#2318
On Reserve
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 16
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1 CE-560xl type
3 years at commuter 135
5 years of 727 time (1 yr on the panel/4 in the right seat)
15 years at NJA/10 as captain
No check airman/instructor time or military.
6 Letters of Rec
PM me if you would like more details.
#2319
I would give SWA serious consideration. Our work rules and your ability to control your own schedule/pickup extra flying is much easier here than the other three majors. I will finish my probationary yr this month, and will clear just over $100K for the year. Not too bad for new guy sitting reserve at one of the more senior bases. It only gets better with seniority/line holder status.
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