DAL Recall / New York
11-09-2013 | 07:01 AM
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We can discuss Robert's tenure and recall on APC all day long, and have differing views.
The issue at hand is that the C66 pilots have two reps that voted differently, and we can interpret their accounts on our own term. We should get their statements, unfiltered. On Rep is suppressing another rep's voice, and throwing the third rep under the bus in the process of making sure only his account is heard and defended by proxies.
THAT is the issue.
The issue at hand is that the C66 pilots have two reps that voted differently, and we can interpret their accounts on our own term. We should get their statements, unfiltered. On Rep is suppressing another rep's voice, and throwing the third rep under the bus in the process of making sure only his account is heard and defended by proxies.
THAT is the issue.
11-09-2013 | 07:12 AM
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Slowplay,
If you read these posts with any interest ... don't think I disagree with your economics. You and I are in agreement.
The metaphor for this situation is the same as the IAM is faciling with Boeing as they fight to keep work from being transferred to South Carolina.
Contract 2012 did a good job of protecting our work (given the circumstances). But the Pinnacle negotiations legitimize the alter ego's ability to bargain with Delta managment directly.
Delta can negotiate one against the other. Just as the IAM finds itself fighting the State Government who put 3 Billion (potentially 7 Billion) worth of incentives on the table, we also work for an employer who has been skimping on CAPEX.
If you read these posts with any interest ... don't think I disagree with your economics. You and I are in agreement.
The metaphor for this situation is the same as the IAM is faciling with Boeing as they fight to keep work from being transferred to South Carolina.
Contract 2012 did a good job of protecting our work (given the circumstances). But the Pinnacle negotiations legitimize the alter ego's ability to bargain with Delta managment directly.
Delta can negotiate one against the other. Just as the IAM finds itself fighting the State Government who put 3 Billion (potentially 7 Billion) worth of incentives on the table, we also work for an employer who has been skimping on CAPEX.
11-09-2013 | 07:24 AM
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We can discuss Robert's tenure and recall on APC all day long, and have differing views.
The issue at hand is that the C66 pilots have two reps that voted differently, and we can interpret their accounts on our own term. We should get their statements, unfiltered. On Rep is suppressing another rep's voice, and throwing the third rep under the bus in the process of making sure only his account is heard and defended by proxies.
THAT is the issue.
The issue at hand is that the C66 pilots have two reps that voted differently, and we can interpret their accounts on our own term. We should get their statements, unfiltered. On Rep is suppressing another rep's voice, and throwing the third rep under the bus in the process of making sure only his account is heard and defended by proxies.
THAT is the issue.
11-09-2013 | 07:31 AM
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It doesn't even matter what sort of content is in Patrick's letter, whether it is objectionable or not to the C66 chairman. The pilots who elected him should expect to be able to hear from their representative.
How does he defend this suppression? Does restricting communications between reps and pilots somehow serve the Mission Statement?
This is puzzling behavior from the "incumbent," who promised in his 2010 campaign letters to be "diligent, diplomatic and effective," and to return to the line when his term was up.
There is another letter he would like to keep out of circulation.
How does he defend this suppression? Does restricting communications between reps and pilots somehow serve the Mission Statement?
This is puzzling behavior from the "incumbent," who promised in his 2010 campaign letters to be "diligent, diplomatic and effective," and to return to the line when his term was up.
There is another letter he would like to keep out of circulation.
11-09-2013 | 07:52 AM
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I you think have to expand on that last comment about something embarrassing, or edit it from your post. The last thing this needs is a whisper campaign. The suppression of Patrick's letter is a matter of record.
Good question about the lack of reply. He's gone ballistic within minutes after the challenger dared discuss his record. Where is he now? Hoping this slips by?
Good question about the lack of reply. He's gone ballistic within minutes after the challenger dared discuss his record. Where is he now? Hoping this slips by?
11-09-2013 | 08:10 AM
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Carl,
We can evaluate this objectively by analyzing a recent representational failure that threw half our profession into concessionary bargaining. I pruport that there is no real difference in administrations and there will be no difference until we either change counsel, manage them or learn to place their advice in proper perspective. I dare say there are few Delta pilots who have employed a legal team before ... it just isn't experience common to many in the pool of experts we have to draw from.
We can evaluate this objectively by analyzing a recent representational failure that threw half our profession into concessionary bargaining. I pruport that there is no real difference in administrations and there will be no difference until we either change counsel, manage them or learn to place their advice in proper perspective. I dare say there are few Delta pilots who have employed a legal team before ... it just isn't experience common to many in the pool of experts we have to draw from.
Tim O'Malley facilitated another pilot group negotiating with Delta pilots to contract for Delta flying. When the news on Pinnacle broke, his reps asked him to address the issue ... his answer to proposed evaluations was, "NO." He went on to belittle those Reps who had expressed concerns. Worse, his response was that other pilots negotiating Delta flying was none of our business.
Kingsley Roberts took office and inhereted the problem (problem of the Delta pilots). He listened politely (very bottom up) and his position was the same as Lee Moak's (who authorized the end run around our MEC) and Tim O'Malley (who facilitated our representational irrelevance). The end state was just as top down as ever.
All three of these men had the same answer to a critical question involving the representation of Delta pilots.
Any three of these men should have put Delta pilots first with Delta management. Any one of these men could have robbed the DPA of the central plank of their platform, all three failed to do so.
Any three of these men should have put Delta pilots first with Delta management. Any one of these men could have robbed the DPA of the central plank of their platform, all three failed to do so.
Carl
11-09-2013 | 08:38 AM
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This is issue should have EVERYONE concerned, whether you are pro ALPA or pro DPA. This has the appearance of a huge abuse of power. Subverting and controlling another elected reps freedom of speech for political gain is NEVER acceptable. If this is true and the incumbent is re-elected, I would not be surprised to see a recall movement.
11-09-2013 | 08:38 AM
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Carl,
Just to be clear. If I needed a lawyer to represent me personally to the FAA or management, the folks within ALPA are the best, hands down, bar none.
Just to be clear. If I needed a lawyer to represent me personally to the FAA or management, the folks within ALPA are the best, hands down, bar none.
11-09-2013 | 09:22 AM
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This is issue should have EVERYONE concerned, whether you are pro ALPA or pro DPA. This has the appearance of a huge abuse of power. Subverting and controlling another elected reps freedom of speech for political gain is NEVER acceptable. If this is true and the incumbent is re-elected, I would not be surprised to see a recall movement.
Carl
11-09-2013 | 09:24 AM
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