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11-11-2013 | 07:54 PM

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Bucking Bar

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

How did USAPA get mentioned in that? They aren't successful at anything for their own pilots (even the portion that they actually "try" to represent)... and wouldn't be successful nor contributing even if they had stayed in ALPA.

If they were still in ALPA we would have the strength of their numbers. I would be happy for, what, 12,000 more mainline pilots to help us.

11-11-2013 | 07:57 PM

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80ktsClamp

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If they were still in ALPA we would have the strength of their numbers. I would be happy for, what, 12,000 more mainline pilots to help us.

About 5000... And they are hardly anything remotely related to strong.

11-11-2013 | 08:02 PM

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Carl Spackler

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We face a tidal wave of competition. We need the strongest wall we can build.

We need to fight this latest threat to be sure, but we have no idea whatsoever if ALPA will really fight. ALPA used to go to war against alter ego airlines, now ALPA promotes them. Alter egos and outsourcing in general have been a far greater catastrophe for the piloting profession than foreign carrier competition ever thought about being. Today ALPA wants to go to war over foreign competition...just like they used to with alter egos. What will ALPA's position be tomorrow?

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Or let me put it this way; I (and many of our new hires) could be Captain on an airplane larger than yours to better overnights if by next spring if I were willing to give up and work for a Middle Eastern carrier. No disrespect at all, but you are not qualified (they discriminate based on age and I'm nearly too old).

Again, this is reality today. We may never see some of these younger pilots return their talents to US airlines. ALPA has no plan whatsoever to change that other than pleading for PAC dollars.

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USAPA is doing nothing to help. Absolutely nothing.

USAPA has never been or pretended to be a real union. Only a vehicle to erect a fence around an arbitrated SLI. They've been successful at that thus far. USAPA is a straw man when used to compare ALPA or DPA.

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Delta is your gig. Delta is all of our jobs. To me the decision is clear.

Again, you're going under the assumption that ALPA is really against foreign airline competition. I don't think you can do that.

Carl

11-11-2013 | 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

If they were still in ALPA we would have the strength of their numbers. I would be happy for, what, 12,000 more mainline pilots to help us.

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About 5000... And they are hardly anything remotely related to strong.

I think 5000 would help with our endeavors on capital hill. One of the things congressmen and senators want to know when you speak to their office is how many votes do you represent to them. I'm sure there are some talented pilots at USAir that probably live in the DC area and are familiar with congressional interactions. Those pilots could help us all on many of the issues we face as pilots for US carriers. Right now they aren't doing anything that I can point to because the effective structure isn't there for them.

More PAC contributors wouldn't hurt our collective cause either.

11-12-2013 | 02:31 AM

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I am thinking down the road with the American merger. I hope we regain their support.

11-12-2013 | 03:00 AM

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Fixed it for ya.

One of the things congressmen and senators want to know when you speak to their office is how many dollars v̶o̶t̶e̶s̶ do you represent to them.

11-12-2013 | 04:21 AM

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Carl Spackler

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I am thinking down the road with the American merger. I hope we regain their support.

I think we will gain APA's support again. DPA will make them feel welcome.

Carl

11-12-2013 | 05:31 AM

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I think we will gain APA's support again. DPA will make them feel welcome.

Carl

Explain? Do you think that APA would join DPA? Or are you talking about a national union representing multiple carriers?

11-12-2013 | 08:35 AM

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Explain? Do you think that APA would join DPA? Or are you talking about a national union representing multiple carriers?

No, I was just posting an absurd response to the absurd notion that APA would want to join ALPA.

Carl

11-12-2013 | 08:42 AM

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To be fair, we also have pilots, every year, who the company attempts to terminate and, because of ALPA legal representation, those pilot's jobs are saved and they are still flying as Delta pilots.

But is that always a good thing? Are there pilots who should not be here?