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Fly4hire 12-11-2013 04:49 PM

Slow,

I'm quite used to being in the democratic minority, something you are evidently not.

Do you really want to try and make the comparison that a recall is the same as a normal election in terms of everyday process?
You fail to elucidate the readership that the 10-9 senatorial majority did not meet the PM 2/3 required, so you resorted to the repugnant (at least if your democratic opponents use it) tactic of a roll call vote. When was the last time the DALPA MEC used a roll call vote?

As to controlling KR, nah, just wanted a Chairman who would honor the will of the MEC and the pilots and not gerrymander the process when the elected MEC direction didn't agree with the unelected Admin's direction.

As to MD's election I have no issue with the outcome or the process. My indignation is in response to your hypocrisy and the fact you just can't help yourself in sliming of your political opponents for gain or advantage.

Free Mason 12-11-2013 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 1537801)
They didn't need to peel any votes from JVS - AA had it. MD was supposedly not interested in running until he was convinced to when the recall cabal saw they might lose. Wonder who convinced him to run?

MD will do a good, possibly great job as long as he governs from the middle and doesn't take his cues from the entrenched bureaucracy that staged the KR recall. If he does he stands a good chance at killing the DPA in the process.

The DALPA mission statement needs to truly embrace "enhance the careers, pay and benefits of DAL pilots" while dropping the secret part of "don't ever, ever, EVER let the former NWA pilots take over"

Or:

The threat of AA as chair moved the rest of the room (MD vote) to a candidate that many of the minority liked, and many of those that voted for him were reluctant supporters. The result is a chair that the MEC will get behind; strategy.

He has every opportunity to do a great job. If he is true to himself, he will be a leader than many will remember years from now fondly. Possibly the leader that put an end to the DPA, and this NvS BS. The vote was Nothing about NvS and frankly its old. (There are those on both sides that like to go to that, but many see all of us as Delta pilots, no premerger anything) Mike may put all of that to bed. He has a year until the next regular election, and a lot of work to do. If his resume and results are any proof, I suspect he is up to the task and will excel at it.

Fly4hire 12-11-2013 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by Free Mason (Post 1537891)
Or:

The threat of AA as chair moved the rest of the room (MD vote) to a candidate that many of the minority liked, and many of those that voted for him were reluctant supporters. The result is a chair that the MEC will get behind; strategy.

He has every opportunity to do a great job. If he is true to himself, he will be a leader than many will remember years from now fondly. Possibly the leader that put an end to the DPA, and this NvS BS. The vote was Nothing about NvS and frankly its old. (There are those on both sides that like to go to that, but many see all of us as Delta pilots, no premerger anything) Mike may put all of that to bed. He has a year until the next regular election, and a lot of work to do. If his resume and results are any proof, I suspect he is up to the task and will excel at it.

I think and hope you are correct. I've met and spoke with MD on several occasions and liked what I heard. At the very least he considers himself a trade unionist and not a part of management.

Carl Spackler 12-12-2013 12:52 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1537656)
I can't be National SPC. Carl and TheManager have already anointed me MEC Chairman.

No, I said you were desperately trying to be the next MEC chairman. Since you shouldn't be involved in union work in any capacity, I would never anoint you to anything other than line pilot.

Carl

Carl Spackler 12-12-2013 01:02 AM


Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 1537881)
Slow,

I'm quite used to being in the democratic minority, something you are evidently not.

Do you really want to try and make the comparison that a recall is the same as a normal election in terms of everyday process?
You fail to elucidate the readership that the 10-9 senatorial majority did not meet the PM 2/3 required, so you resorted to the repugnant (at least if your democratic opponents use it) tactic of a roll call vote. When was the last time the DALPA MEC used a roll call vote?

As to controlling KR, nah, just wanted a Chairman who would honor the will of the MEC and the pilots and not gerrymander the process when the elected MEC direction didn't agree with the unelected Admin's direction.

As to MD's election I have no issue with the outcome or the process. My indignation is in response to your hypocrisy and the fact you just can't help yourself in sliming of your political opponents for gain or advantage.

That's the hallmark of slowplay and why he should never again be allowed to do union work in any capacity. Being a political hit-man is not something we need. We need ideas and truth. Then the pilots and reps can make proper choices. Sliming people with lies to gain political advantage is the lowest form of politics.

Carl

Carl Spackler 12-12-2013 01:15 AM


Originally Posted by Free Mason (Post 1537891)
Or:

The threat of AA as chair moved the rest of the room (MD vote) to a candidate that many of the minority liked, and many of those that voted for him were reluctant supporters. The result is a chair that the MEC will get behind; strategy.

He has every opportunity to do a great job. If he is true to himself, he will be a leader than many will remember years from now fondly. Possibly the leader that put an end to the DPA, and this NvS BS. The vote was Nothing about NvS and frankly its old. (There are those on both sides that like to go to that, but many see all of us as Delta pilots, no premerger anything) Mike may put all of that to bed. He has a year until the next regular election, and a lot of work to do. If his resume and results are any proof, I suspect he is up to the task and will excel at it.

Totally agree with you. But just like Al Sharpton and Jessee Jackson's fostering of racial divisions for their own personal gain, some within DALPA use this same tactic. They foster a North/South divide that simply isn't there. Why do they do it? For the cynical reason of trying to hold a solid majority of South pilots. If they can make South pilots believe North pilots are only interested in control, then they cynically hope South pilots will ignore the actual issue of the day, and simply vote against those control freaks from the North.

Like Sharpton and Jackson's race baiting, this is nothing more than pre-merger baiting. Shameful.

Carl

Justdoinmyjob 12-12-2013 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1537685)
After chewing on it, I'm somewhat encouraged by the new guy's pledge to focus on "strategic planning." Maybe it means DALPA will start playing chess.


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1537694)
DALPA's been playing chess. Strategic planning has been a huge focus all along. The problem as I see it is they are not playing "chess" with the objective of winning (i.e. restoring our profession and our careers). A strategic plan designed to accomplish a weak objective will... well... accomplish a weak result.

The problem is that we're playing the wrong chess. This is what management is playing:

http://th07.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/..._RisiaVyle.jpg

slowplay 12-12-2013 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1538045)
Totally agree with you. But just like Al Sharpton and Jessee Jackson's fostering of racial divisions for their own personal gain, some within DALPA use this same tactic. They foster a North/South divide that simply isn't there. Why do they do it? For the cynical reason of trying to hold a solid majority of South pilots. If they can make South pilots believe North pilots are only interested in control, then they cynically hope South pilots will ignore the actual issue of the day, and simply vote against those control freaks from the North.

Too bad the N/S stuff keeps getting brought up...by former N guys. An example in this thread:


Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 1537801)
The DALPA mission statement needs to truly embrace "enhance the careers, pay and benefits of DAL pilots" while dropping the secret part of "don't ever, ever, EVER let the former NWA pilots take over"

Nice misdirect, Groundskeeper.

If C1 and C20 hadn't invited MD to the party, the election would have been between 2 former N candidates. Funny how things work out...

tsquare 12-12-2013 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1537666)


The extra cabbage they get in the 401k be nice too.

Why do you think they are getting that? Out of the goodness of management's heart? Can you even grasp the concept of pattern bargaining? Since you apparently cannot, I'll spell it out... look at our contract and then look at who negotiated a contract AFTER us..... and even then they failed on payrates.....

Bucking Bar 12-12-2013 05:37 AM

Somebody sent me this video of the Chairman election. I am not sure it is authentic.

http://i.imgur.com/GZUKvFD.gif

The voice over goes something like:

"He led Delta's strike preparedness"
"He led National's strike preparedness"
"He's a union guy, smart, well spoken"
"He's your leader for Contract 2015!"

Then strobe lights went on and stuff fell from the ceiling. Or, that's what a guy told me who was on the crew bus.

Notice he has a hat, so it must be a Delta pilot.


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