<<<<<Too bad the N/S stuff keeps getting brought up...by former N guys. An example in this thread:>>>>>>

It certainly isn't one sided when it comes to perpetuating the divide. I witnessed a PMDL ALPA volunteer stand up at an LEC meeting with a rant which singled out "North pilots" in a less than flattering way.

So, it isn't a one sided issue and it needs to go away. Personally I could care less "who came from where" and until we can figure out a way to put this aside and focus on common ground, we will not attain as much as we would otherwise.

So since you said "like everyone else" you must think Roberts, with less than a year on the job,and talk of a recall before he was elected was given a fair shot.Doesn't seem like it to me.

What would you expect when members don't get to directly elect the leadership.

With all due respect, you are wrong. They did not, as you claim, fail on pay rates. No longer should we allow our negotiating agent to claim we are being held down by AA-LCC.

The current agreement they have started Monday. Soon they will re-enter negotiations to finalize a JCBA which more than likely will take them even higher.

As I carefully researched and laid out, if we are still negotiating in 2016, they pass you in pay rates.

If we are still locked up in 2018, they are making $40 more per hour. (A330/767-4)

Currently, they are getting more than we do in company 401k matching.

So, since you feel I can't "grasp pattern bargaining" please teach us all and "spell it out for us". Go get a copy of their MTA, research their rates and work rules, and do the math.

Then, when you have some facts, come back and be as condescending as you want if you are actually right.

I'm out. Heat and stim are over and my physical therapist is heading this way. Now my real work begins.

Good post and point taken.

So.... they pass us in 2016, but not until then. We had 14.. soon to be 15% in our 401k with no match required, and they passed us when they signed a new contract. Hmmmmm seems like both of those things are the definition of pattern bargaining.

But you do bring up an interesting question, and I highlighted it above. "what if we are still negotiating in 2018"? I am pretty sure that that will be a target in our upcoming negotiations, but I could be wrong. Again.. pattern bargaining. And I agree that AA will not be holding us back. The real question is how long we have to fight to exceed their rates. We very well could be fighting in 2018. It will be interesting.

But the point is.. that right now.... at this point in time... they have a new contract, and it does not exceed any of those metrics. That is a fail IMHO, and if it was dALPA that signed that.. BK or not... you and Carl and 88driver would be howling from the rafters rather than trying to deify them. They did good. They didn't do great, and it took them 10+ years to get where they are. Would that be worth it to you?

Not according to the reps you cite, whom I spoke with. Either they are lying or you are. He was asked if he was going to run, not to run, and answered he was not. He changed his mind for whatever reason 3 days prior to the election.

The Reps that nominated MD and AA voted for them, yet the rep from ATL that nominated JVS did not.

It keeps being brought up by you and your ilk for the exact same reasons the race hustlers do it. I merely call you out on it when you do it. It serves no purpose other than to divide a pilot group that is already very unified. It's cynical, and you should stop it. If you actually cared a whit about Delta pilots that is.

You're lying slowplay. Again. The reps from Council 1 and 20 didn't "invite" Mike to run. They asked him if he was going to after they'd heard he was strongly considering running. Mike told them he wasn't running...then he decided to run after all.

Nobody tried harder than you though. And you were told in no uncertain terms you had zero chance.

Funny how things work out.

Carl

Totally agree.

Carl

Based on my first hand conversation with at least two of the individuals, that's an incorrect assertion with regards to MD being asked to run.

As far as who nominated who and who voted for who, your point is disingenuous to say the least, since you were on the MEC when TT nominated BK for master chairman and then voted for MS.

In previous posts you feign indignation over a roll call vote to support the majority view, but were silent when TT asked for the roll call numbers and frantically tabulated the said numbers with his arm stuck out with the intention of overriding the majority vote with a roll call during the last negotiator elections. It was only after he found out he didn't have the numbers that he withdrew his hand then wrote this:


C20 Newsletter February 2013:

"In a senatorial vote, I have one vote. In a roll call vote, I represent 61 more pilots than the captain representatives of LAX, SLC, CVG, and the ATL instructors combined. I contend that passing on calling a roll call vote is not fully representing the interests of the line pilots represented, especially in a case where the pilots you actually represent would support or benefit from (or oppose or be negatively affected by) a particular decision.

An opportunity to use the roll call vote has not yet occurred. I hope if that occasion does occur, the Delta MEC will place greater value on pilot representation over MEC unity."