View Poll Results: How did you vote?
Yes ALPA
93
86.92%
Yes Other
3
2.80%
No
11
10.28%
Voters: 107. You may not vote on this poll
Jetblue...how did you vote?
04-03-2014, 07:01 PM
#61
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,236
Originally Posted by Southerner
They do bring more resources, but they also bring more baggage. I do not like ALPA. I've been to several of their national Safety conferences. I do not like the ALPA attitude, their mindset, their general point of view on the profession. They are a business, and they want our money. I would rather contribute $10,000 of my own money to JBPA than have ALPA.
That being said, I will support them if/when elected. We need a CBA, and I'll welcome a CBA however we get it. I may even volunteer for the union, but that will depend highly on who gets into office at JetBlue.
There's no effing way I would've chosen to abstain from the vote. I have an opinion, and I have the right to express it, just as you do. I know abstaining helps express your particular position, but it does so at the detriment to mine.
In any case, I've already voted. If there's a runoff, I welcome it. My vote will be the same.
That being said, I will support them if/when elected. We need a CBA, and I'll welcome a CBA however we get it. I may even volunteer for the union, but that will depend highly on who gets into office at JetBlue.
There's no effing way I would've chosen to abstain from the vote. I have an opinion, and I have the right to express it, just as you do. I know abstaining helps express your particular position, but it does so at the detriment to mine.
In any case, I've already voted. If there's a runoff, I welcome it. My vote will be the same.
04-04-2014, 07:58 AM
#63
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 73
Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
Or, did I vote NO to the Survey and YES to ALPA?
Doesn't much matter, either way you'll be paying ALPA dues 3 weeks from now. You're either with us, or you're against us, sounds like you'll never learn. Thank a yes voter though, we just saved you from Obamacare.
04-04-2014, 08:00 AM
#64
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 73
Originally Posted by whatifguy
Doesn't much matter, either way you'll be paying ALPA dues 3 weeks from now. You're either with us, or you're against us, sounds like you'll never learn. Thank a yes voter though, we just saved you from Obamacare.
Although, I see you have Tricare and a military retirement, so that's probably why you don't care about us "little people." You got yours!
04-04-2014, 08:26 AM
#65
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,918
Originally Posted by whatifguy
Doesn't much matter, either way you'll be paying ALPA dues 3 weeks from now. You're either with us, or you're against us, sounds like you'll never learn. Thank a yes voter though, we just saved you from Obamacare.
You are the one who will never learn. PLEASE DO NOT RUN FOR A UNION POSITION.
04-04-2014, 08:46 AM
#66
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Blue fifi flogger
Posts: 736
Originally Posted by whatifguy
Doesn't much matter, either way you'll be paying ALPA dues 3 weeks from now. You're either with us, or you're against us, sounds like you'll never learn. Thank a yes voter though, we just saved you from Obamacare.
04-04-2014, 08:57 AM
#67
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: FO
Posts: 302
Originally Posted by whatifguy
Doesn't much matter, either way you'll be paying ALPA dues 3 weeks from now. You're either with us, or you're against us, sounds like you'll never learn. Thank a yes voter though, we just saved you from Obamacare.
04-04-2014, 10:28 AM
#68
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
Kellwolf, you seem to place a lot of blame on your former MEC's. Okay, fair enough. Some MEC's are better than others. However, what share of the responsibility for your prior misfortunes belongs to the company and the management that runs it?
Unions don't fire, furlough or impose concessionary contracts. Unions prevent and mitigate those as best they can given the financial climate at the time. This is the point every "I hate ALPA" or "I hate unions" pilot ignores. ALL the negative things that happened to you in the past were the DIRECT RESULT of management imposing or trying to impose them on you. MANAGEMENT made all those decisions. Your MEC, ALPA, IBT or whomever were just trying to limit the damages. Your beef is with airline management, not unions.
ALPA may be flawed in some ways but without them running interference the state of our profession would be catastrophically worse.
Unions don't fire, furlough or impose concessionary contracts. Unions prevent and mitigate those as best they can given the financial climate at the time. This is the point every "I hate ALPA" or "I hate unions" pilot ignores. ALL the negative things that happened to you in the past were the DIRECT RESULT of management imposing or trying to impose them on you. MANAGEMENT made all those decisions. Your MEC, ALPA, IBT or whomever were just trying to limit the damages. Your beef is with airline management, not unions.
ALPA may be flawed in some ways but without them running interference the state of our profession would be catastrophically worse.
04-04-2014, 11:49 AM
#69
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Left,Right, Left, Right,Right,Left, Right, Left
Posts: 3,150
Had the pleasure of riding up the elevator to the 9th floor with a retired DAL capt. He said "if were smart we'd vote no. ALPA never did a thing for him except give away his pension..."
I said I was sorry to hear that and asked if he thought that he would have ever had a pension to begin with without ALPA, and why did big D ask for the concessions in the contract if it had been so well managed?
The last 2 floors of the ride were mildly amusing to me as I watched his blood pressure rise and vein in his forehead throb.
He didn't say goodbye on the way out.
I said I was sorry to hear that and asked if he thought that he would have ever had a pension to begin with without ALPA, and why did big D ask for the concessions in the contract if it had been so well managed?
The last 2 floors of the ride were mildly amusing to me as I watched his blood pressure rise and vein in his forehead throb.
He didn't say goodbye on the way out.
04-05-2014, 03:50 AM
#70
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 5,113
Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
Had the pleasure of riding up the elevator to the 9th floor with a retired DAL capt. He said "if were smart we'd vote no. ALPA never did a thing for him except give away his pension..."
I said I was sorry to hear that and asked if he thought that he would have ever had a pension to begin with without ALPA, and why did big D ask for the concessions in the contract if it had been so well managed?
The last 2 floors of the ride were mildly amusing to me as I watched his blood pressure rise and vein in his forehead throb.
He didn't say goodbye on the way out.
I said I was sorry to hear that and asked if he thought that he would have ever had a pension to begin with without ALPA, and why did big D ask for the concessions in the contract if it had been so well managed?
The last 2 floors of the ride were mildly amusing to me as I watched his blood pressure rise and vein in his forehead throb.
He didn't say goodbye on the way out.
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