Before You Consider F9...
03-09-2015 | 06:27 PM
#11
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Joined: Nov 2012
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From: 1900D CA
In my experience with frontier, (about a year and a half) the company has not done anything to me that was a violation of the contract. I have not had a single pay issue, and have been paid every penny they owed me.
I stand with the union 100%, but I don't want people interested or recently hired to think it's worse than it actually is. I've been very happy here. Good luck to everyone.
I stand with the union 100%, but I don't want people interested or recently hired to think it's worse than it actually is. I've been very happy here. Good luck to everyone.
03-09-2015 | 09:00 PM
#13
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Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 34
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From: MD80
A bit of perspective is in order. The company is in the midst of a major operational meltdown of sorts. To be expected in some degree, but I am hoping that the personal impact on YOU, a potential employee, will be thoughtfully considered. I can safely say that management/labor relations are at an all time low. A solid year at least, of contract violations, indifference to individuals and outright disrespect to a large number of pilots. By design or by mistake, there has been a calculated, measured attempt to pound out every cost they can to YOUR DETRIMENT. The contract is being steamrolled every day, people can't 1) get paid correctly 2) get insurance premiums straight 3) get answers or respectable information from nearly every office at the GO. And on and on. If you are looking to beef up your resumes or use it as a stepping stone, than do it. We are facing the most hostile management found just about anyplace. If you can live with the worst pay in the industry and the level of contempt, then by all means, come on in. In spite of a major push by FAPA, your pay and especially insurance/ retirement, will be substandard FOR YEARS. We aren't amendable for a while and all that will be is a countdown to at least 5 years of Section 6. Go someplace where the crap is similar, but at least you will get paid correctly and you won't feel like needing a shower after talking to management.
03-09-2015 | 09:45 PM
#15
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From: MD80
Right! In all honesty, there is a lot of old G4 management at F9. It sounds identical to what is going on over here. There are guys here who haven't had a correct pay check for 15 months and we are suing the company in federal court for violating status quo. Good luck to everyone over there. Keep fighting the good fight. It sounds like horrible management keeps circling the drain and never goes away.
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03-10-2015 | 06:15 AM
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The highest book rates were supposed to become effective 1/1/15. The CBA was extended in BK along with the requisite pay cuts but we snap back to the highest rates on the amendable date in an effort to negotiate from original book rates vis a vis negotiate from concessionary rates.
We could argue our book rates are concessionary but that isn't an apples to apples comparison. Virtually everyone has completed at least one round of negotiations since F9 entered/exited BK. If you compare our book to the books that were around in 2008-2010 we were just below the average of the various narrow body ranges. Now we are not even on the same page.
I think the OP is speaking the truth. While every pilot may not experience the iron fist of pilot payroll or the intentional violations from Skeds both scenarios are a daily occurrence. Back when I interviewed they intentionally walked you down a hallway lined with large billboards containing the Company's core values;
SAFETY: People are priceless.
RESPECT: A co-worker is a neighbor; a customer is a guest.
TRUST: We're only as good as our word.
COLLABORATION: We're in this together.
VALUE: We don't charge for the extra mile.
PASSION: This smile is real.
These values were important to everyone at the G.O. and they were important to everyone on the front lines. Today they are dinosaurs, completely extinct. Indigo has a different perspective....
SAFETY: Accidents are expensive so safety comes up from time to time, but if you cite safety/fatique as an operational issue we will dock your pay.
RESPECT: A co-worker on the front lines is no longer your co-worker. We outsourced those jobs to the lowest bidder. A customer is a guest...one time. We will train them never to fly us a second time but there are plenty of fish in the sea.
TRUST: We are only as good as our word..and every word out of our mouth is a lie. We lie so much it is almost scary, we may be sociopaths.
COLLABORATION: We are in this for the money. We will trick you into thinking some of the money will be yours but we will f you out of every penny. We are in this for the money.
VALUE: We don't charge you for the extra mile, but you're gonna pay for EVERYTHING else. (On a side note I can't type this one without laughing/crying. Oh how things have changed)
PASSION: The greed is real.
We could argue our book rates are concessionary but that isn't an apples to apples comparison. Virtually everyone has completed at least one round of negotiations since F9 entered/exited BK. If you compare our book to the books that were around in 2008-2010 we were just below the average of the various narrow body ranges. Now we are not even on the same page.
I think the OP is speaking the truth. While every pilot may not experience the iron fist of pilot payroll or the intentional violations from Skeds both scenarios are a daily occurrence. Back when I interviewed they intentionally walked you down a hallway lined with large billboards containing the Company's core values;
SAFETY: People are priceless.
RESPECT: A co-worker is a neighbor; a customer is a guest.
TRUST: We're only as good as our word.
COLLABORATION: We're in this together.
VALUE: We don't charge for the extra mile.
PASSION: This smile is real.
These values were important to everyone at the G.O. and they were important to everyone on the front lines. Today they are dinosaurs, completely extinct. Indigo has a different perspective....
SAFETY: Accidents are expensive so safety comes up from time to time, but if you cite safety/fatique as an operational issue we will dock your pay.
RESPECT: A co-worker on the front lines is no longer your co-worker. We outsourced those jobs to the lowest bidder. A customer is a guest...one time. We will train them never to fly us a second time but there are plenty of fish in the sea.
TRUST: We are only as good as our word..and every word out of our mouth is a lie. We lie so much it is almost scary, we may be sociopaths.
COLLABORATION: We are in this for the money. We will trick you into thinking some of the money will be yours but we will f you out of every penny. We are in this for the money.
VALUE: We don't charge you for the extra mile, but you're gonna pay for EVERYTHING else. (On a side note I can't type this one without laughing/crying. Oh how things have changed)
PASSION: The greed is real.
03-10-2015 | 06:38 AM
#17
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From: A320 Captain
The highest book rates were supposed to become effective 1/1/15. The CBA was extended in BK along with the requisite pay cuts but we snap back to the highest rates on the amendable date in an effort to negotiate from original book rates vis a vis negotiate from concessionary rates.
We could argue our book rates are concessionary but that isn't an apples to apples comparison. Virtually everyone has completed at least one round of negotiations since F9 entered/exited BK. If you compare our book to the books that were around in 2008-2010 we were just below the average of the various narrow body ranges. Now we are not even on the same page.
I think the OP is speaking the truth. While every pilot may not experience the iron fist of pilot payroll or the intentional violations from Skeds both scenarios are a daily occurrence. Back when I interviewed they intentionally walked you down a hallway lined with large billboards containing the Company's core values;
SAFETY: People are priceless.
RESPECT: A co-worker is a neighbor; a customer is a guest.
TRUST: We're only as good as our word.
COLLABORATION: We're in this together.
VALUE: We don't charge for the extra mile.
PASSION: This smile is real.
These values were important to everyone at the G.O. and they were important to everyone on the front lines. Today they are dinosaurs, completely extinct. Indigo has a different perspective....
SAFETY: Accidents are expensive so safety comes up from time to time, but if you cite safety/fatique as an operational issue we will dock your pay.
RESPECT: A co-worker on the front lines is no longer your co-worker. We outsourced those jobs to the lowest bidder. A customer is a guest...one time. We will train them never to fly us a second time but there are plenty of fish in the sea.
TRUST: We are only as good as our word..and every word out of our mouth is a lie. We lie so much it is almost scary, we may be sociopaths.
COLLABORATION: We are in this for the money. We will trick you into thinking some of the money will be yours but we will f you out of every penny. We are in this for the money.
VALUE: We don't charge you for the extra mile, but you're gonna pay for EVERYTHING else. (On a side note I can't type this one without laughing/crying. Oh how things have changed)
PASSION: The greed is real.
We could argue our book rates are concessionary but that isn't an apples to apples comparison. Virtually everyone has completed at least one round of negotiations since F9 entered/exited BK. If you compare our book to the books that were around in 2008-2010 we were just below the average of the various narrow body ranges. Now we are not even on the same page.
I think the OP is speaking the truth. While every pilot may not experience the iron fist of pilot payroll or the intentional violations from Skeds both scenarios are a daily occurrence. Back when I interviewed they intentionally walked you down a hallway lined with large billboards containing the Company's core values;
SAFETY: People are priceless.
RESPECT: A co-worker is a neighbor; a customer is a guest.
TRUST: We're only as good as our word.
COLLABORATION: We're in this together.
VALUE: We don't charge for the extra mile.
PASSION: This smile is real.
These values were important to everyone at the G.O. and they were important to everyone on the front lines. Today they are dinosaurs, completely extinct. Indigo has a different perspective....
SAFETY: Accidents are expensive so safety comes up from time to time, but if you cite safety/fatique as an operational issue we will dock your pay.
RESPECT: A co-worker on the front lines is no longer your co-worker. We outsourced those jobs to the lowest bidder. A customer is a guest...one time. We will train them never to fly us a second time but there are plenty of fish in the sea.
TRUST: We are only as good as our word..and every word out of our mouth is a lie. We lie so much it is almost scary, we may be sociopaths.
COLLABORATION: We are in this for the money. We will trick you into thinking some of the money will be yours but we will f you out of every penny. We are in this for the money.
VALUE: We don't charge you for the extra mile, but you're gonna pay for EVERYTHING else. (On a side note I can't type this one without laughing/crying. Oh how things have changed)
PASSION: The greed is real.
Very true and you nailed it! Zoo, pretty awesome post!
03-10-2015 | 09:00 PM
#18
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The highest book rates were supposed to become effective 1/1/15. The CBA was extended in BK along with the requisite pay cuts but we snap back to the highest rates on the amendable date in an effort to negotiate from original book rates vis a vis negotiate from concessionary rates.
We could argue our book rates are concessionary but that isn't an apples to apples comparison. Virtually everyone has completed at least one round of negotiations since F9 entered/exited BK. If you compare our book to the books that were around in 2008-2010 we were just below the average of the various narrow body ranges. Now we are not even on the same page.
I think the OP is speaking the truth. While every pilot may not experience the iron fist of pilot payroll or the intentional violations from Skeds both scenarios are a daily occurrence. Back when I interviewed they intentionally walked you down a hallway lined with large billboards containing the Company's core values;
SAFETY: People are priceless.
RESPECT: A co-worker is a neighbor; a customer is a guest.
TRUST: We're only as good as our word.
COLLABORATION: We're in this together.
VALUE: We don't charge for the extra mile.
PASSION: This smile is real.
These values were important to everyone at the G.O. and they were important to everyone on the front lines. Today they are dinosaurs, completely extinct. Indigo has a different perspective....
SAFETY: Accidents are expensive so safety comes up from time to time, but if you cite safety/fatique as an operational issue we will dock your pay.
RESPECT: A co-worker on the front lines is no longer your co-worker. We outsourced those jobs to the lowest bidder. A customer is a guest...one time. We will train them never to fly us a second time but there are plenty of fish in the sea.
TRUST: We are only as good as our word..and every word out of our mouth is a lie. We lie so much it is almost scary, we may be sociopaths.
COLLABORATION: We are in this for the money. We will trick you into thinking some of the money will be yours but we will f you out of every penny. We are in this for the money.
VALUE: We don't charge you for the extra mile, but you're gonna pay for EVERYTHING else. (On a side note I can't type this one without laughing/crying. Oh how things have changed)
PASSION: The greed is real.
We could argue our book rates are concessionary but that isn't an apples to apples comparison. Virtually everyone has completed at least one round of negotiations since F9 entered/exited BK. If you compare our book to the books that were around in 2008-2010 we were just below the average of the various narrow body ranges. Now we are not even on the same page.
I think the OP is speaking the truth. While every pilot may not experience the iron fist of pilot payroll or the intentional violations from Skeds both scenarios are a daily occurrence. Back when I interviewed they intentionally walked you down a hallway lined with large billboards containing the Company's core values;
SAFETY: People are priceless.
RESPECT: A co-worker is a neighbor; a customer is a guest.
TRUST: We're only as good as our word.
COLLABORATION: We're in this together.
VALUE: We don't charge for the extra mile.
PASSION: This smile is real.
These values were important to everyone at the G.O. and they were important to everyone on the front lines. Today they are dinosaurs, completely extinct. Indigo has a different perspective....
SAFETY: Accidents are expensive so safety comes up from time to time, but if you cite safety/fatique as an operational issue we will dock your pay.
RESPECT: A co-worker on the front lines is no longer your co-worker. We outsourced those jobs to the lowest bidder. A customer is a guest...one time. We will train them never to fly us a second time but there are plenty of fish in the sea.
TRUST: We are only as good as our word..and every word out of our mouth is a lie. We lie so much it is almost scary, we may be sociopaths.
COLLABORATION: We are in this for the money. We will trick you into thinking some of the money will be yours but we will f you out of every penny. We are in this for the money.
VALUE: We don't charge you for the extra mile, but you're gonna pay for EVERYTHING else. (On a side note I can't type this one without laughing/crying. Oh how things have changed)
PASSION: The greed is real.
03-11-2015 | 05:08 AM
#19
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From: 7th green
A regional that flies big jets. Sadly, this is what the industry is coming to if people continue to accept this kind of job. By using it as a "stepping stone" to something better you're ensuring that "something better" will descend to this lower common denominator.
03-11-2015 | 06:51 AM
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