Before You Consider F9...
#61
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: B-737 CA
Posts: 36
Go where you'll be happy, avoid commuting if you can, love your wife, your kids and live within your means. Invest your money wisely, have business that earns outside of your airline job, and recognize all these pay charts with their 401K contributions are meaningless as soon as you're diagnosed with incurable pancreatic cancer!
This may be the best advice ever posted here.
#64
Like most posters mentioned here, it's about quality of life in the long run.
What are you going to do with your Captain's rank if you get it in 2 years? Go apply to DL or SWA in 3 years? Or brag about your 4 bars to a bar chick across your motel?
15 or so years as an FO at SWA/DL is better than an regional airline like yours. Haven't you met a 20 year B777/747 FO at DL/UAL that can hold A330/B767/757 CA?
Looks like it's your first jet plane from flying a B1900. It shows rookie!
What are you going to do with your Captain's rank if you get it in 2 years? Go apply to DL or SWA in 3 years? Or brag about your 4 bars to a bar chick across your motel?
15 or so years as an FO at SWA/DL is better than an regional airline like yours. Haven't you met a 20 year B777/747 FO at DL/UAL that can hold A330/B767/757 CA?
Looks like it's your first jet plane from flying a B1900. It shows rookie!
#65
I can tell you that the average frontier captain currently makes 180,000/year. That's from the payroll dept. I can't speak for southwest other than to look at their pay rates. also, keep in mind that the future will almost assuredly include much better pay rates at frontier.
#66
Go where you'll be happy, avoid commuting if you can, love your wife, your kids and live within your means. Invest your money wisely, have business that earns outside of your airline job, and recognize all these pay charts with their 401K contributions are meaningless as soon as you're diagnosed with incurable pancreatic cancer![/QUOTE]
Well said Sulkair, we should just end this thread with this post.
Well said Sulkair, we should just end this thread with this post.
#67
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 1900D CA
Posts: 3,414
Like most posters mentioned here, it's about quality of life in the long run.
What are you going to do with your Captain's rank if you get it in 2 years? Go apply to DL or SWA in 3 years? Or brag about your 4 bars to a bar chick across your motel?
15 or so years as an FO at SWA/DL is better than an regional airline like yours. Haven't you met a 20 year B777/747 FO at DL/UAL that can hold A330/B767/757 CA?
Looks like it's your first jet plane from flying a B1900. It shows rookie!
What are you going to do with your Captain's rank if you get it in 2 years? Go apply to DL or SWA in 3 years? Or brag about your 4 bars to a bar chick across your motel?
15 or so years as an FO at SWA/DL is better than an regional airline like yours. Haven't you met a 20 year B777/747 FO at DL/UAL that can hold A330/B767/757 CA?
Looks like it's your first jet plane from flying a B1900. It shows rookie!
And yes, I understand that some people bypass upgrades and larger equipment to maintain quality of life. You can bypass upgrade at frontier and be a senior fo if you want. Can't really do that when upgrade takes 20 years at SWA.
You asked what im going to do with my quick upgrade. I plan on using the pay raise to help support my wife and kids, not brag to the bar chick at the motel. I'm sorry that I appreciate my job. Anyhow this thread is meant for people that are considering a job at frontier. Personally criticizing me doesn't add anything useful to the conversation.
#69
The words sulkair shared describe why F9 is where I'd like to be, and the fact that for the most part the posts about F9 shine a positive light on the company! ...now if only they'd lift the 500pic requirement!!
#70
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 491
I can tell you that the average frontier captain currently makes 180,000/year. That's from the payroll dept. I can't speak for southwest other than to look at their pay rates. also, keep in mind that the future will almost assuredly include much better pay rates at frontier.
This is not true even if you're a company cheerleader trying to encourage new hire pilots so they won't bail for greener pastures.
I would say that the top 20% of the captain group (excluding those involved with the training department gravy train) average 180K per year. There's simply NO way that the overall average is $180K when the 20% on reserve are probably doing well do break $140K. Keep in mind that there's only a $20/hr difference between the lowest paid captain and the highest.
I'm basing my earnings estimates on what appears on a W2, not what some company cheerleader might want to impute based on a 5% company match to a 401k or a 6% defined contribution plan. Or what XX number of days of vacation may or may not be worth.
Frontier's lowest paid captain makes about $137 an hour and the highest is $149. The monthly minimum guarantee is 75 hours. Per diem is $1.90 an hour. No international or night flying overrides. Company 401k match is up to 5% and they put in an additional 6% in the 401k whether you contribute or not (if you've been here long enough to be captain)