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Old 01-20-2007 | 09:26 AM
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I just read the legislation for 2007 and it has language that prevents the fe from coming back to the captain seat, I can't believe it. Sweet.


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Freedom to Fly Act of 2007 (Introduced in Senate)

S 65 IS


110th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. 65
To modify the age-60 standard for certain pilots and for other purposes.


IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

January 4, 2007
Mr. INHOFE (for himself, Mr. STEVENS, Mr. LIEBERMAN, and Mr. FEINGOLD) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation


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A BILL
To modify the age-60 standard for certain pilots and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Freedom to Fly Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. MODIFICATION OF FAA'S AGE-60 STANDARD.

(a) In General- A pilot who has attained 60 years of age may serve as a pilot of an aircraft operated by an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, until attaining 65 years of age only if the pilot serves--

(1) as a required pilot in multi-crew aircraft operations; and

(2) with another pilot serving as a required pilot in such multi-crew aircraft operations who has not yet attained 60 years of age.

(b) Sunset of Age-60 Rule-

(1) IN GENERAL- On and after the effective date described in subsection (e), section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations shall have no further force or effect.

(2) REGULATIONS- Not later than 30 days after the effective date described in subsection (e), the Secretary of Transportation shall take such action as may be necessary to implement paragraph (1) and to modify the regulations relating to pilot privileges by reason of age.

(c) Applicability- The provisions of subsection (a) shall not provide a basis for a claim of seniority under any labor agreement in effect between a recognized bargaining unit for pilots and an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, that is made by a person who was a pilot and who attained 60 years of age before the effective date described in subsection (e) and is seeking a position as a pilot with such air carrier following that person's termination or cessation of employment or promotion or transfer to another position with such air carrier pursuant to section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, as in effect on the day before the effective date described in subsection (e).

(d) GAO Report After Modification of Age-60 Standard- Not later than 24 months after the effective date described in subsection (e), the Comptroller General of the United States shall report to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure of the House of Representatives concerning the effect on aviation safety, if any, of the modification of the age standard contained in subsection (a).

(e) Effective Date- This Act shall take effect on the date that is 30 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.



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Old 01-20-2007 | 09:40 AM
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I just read the legislation for 2007 and it has language that prevents the fe from coming back to the captain seat, I can't believe it. Sweet.


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Freedom to Fly Act of 2007 (Introduced in Senate)

S 65 IS


110th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. 65
To modify the age-60 standard for certain pilots and for other purposes.


IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

January 4, 2007
Mr. INHOFE (for himself, Mr. STEVENS, Mr. LIEBERMAN, and Mr. FEINGOLD) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation


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A BILL
To modify the age-60 standard for certain pilots and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Freedom to Fly Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. MODIFICATION OF FAA'S AGE-60 STANDARD.

(a) In General- A pilot who has attained 60 years of age may serve as a pilot of an aircraft operated by an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, until attaining 65 years of age only if the pilot serves--

(1) as a required pilot in multi-crew aircraft operations; and

(2) with another pilot serving as a required pilot in such multi-crew aircraft operations who has not yet attained 60 years of age.

(b) Sunset of Age-60 Rule-

(1) IN GENERAL- On and after the effective date described in subsection (e), section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations shall have no further force or effect.

(2) REGULATIONS- Not later than 30 days after the effective date described in subsection (e), the Secretary of Transportation shall take such action as may be necessary to implement paragraph (1) and to modify the regulations relating to pilot privileges by reason of age.

(c) Applicability- The provisions of subsection (a) shall not provide a basis for a claim of seniority under any labor agreement in effect between a recognized bargaining unit for pilots and an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, that is made by a person who was a pilot and who attained 60 years of age before the effective date described in subsection (e) and is seeking a position as a pilot with such air carrier following that person's termination or cessation of employment or promotion or transfer to another position with such air carrier pursuant to section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, as in effect on the day before the effective date described in subsection (e).

(d) GAO Report After Modification of Age-60 Standard- Not later than 24 months after the effective date described in subsection (e), the Comptroller General of the United States shall report to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure of the House of Representatives concerning the effect on aviation safety, if any, of the modification of the age standard contained in subsection (a).

(e) Effective Date- This Act shall take effect on the date that is 30 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.



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It does not allow this bill to be used as a claim for a S/O to return to the Captain or F/O seat. A company can allow it if they so wish. This language may or may not change as the bill goes forward.

Now ask yourself, who in the industry has over age 60 S/Os? Who in Washington has the power to influence the wording? Who will be painted the "Bad Guy"? Is it ALPA trying to protect the junior guy or is it management trying to insert a wedge issue in a pilot group? Interesting!

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Originally Posted by FoxHunter
It does not allow this bill to be used as a claim for a S/O to return to the Captain or F/O seat. A company can allow it if they so wish. This language may or may not change as the bill goes forward.
If S.65 passes and it's at the company's discretion, one would think it would require a modification to the CBA through a side letter or other negotiation. What would the company stand to gain from such negotiation and what guidance would the majority of union membership provide on the issue?

That's a rhetorical question
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Originally Posted by Low & Slow
If S.65 passes and it's at the company's discretion, one would think it would require a modification to the CBA through a side letter or other negotiation. What would the company stand to gain from such negotiation and what guidance would the majority of union membership provide on the issue?

That's a rhetorical question

Interesting! I think the company will take the position that they can move the S/Os back to the front seats. The also have some protection with the wording of the bill but not total protection. The CBA never mentions "age 60", it only talks about the "regulated age".

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Old 01-20-2007 | 01:43 PM
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Probably depends on the FE's age. Less than 2 to go till 65 and you stay in the back. May even pay passover type pay to all the over 60 fe's just to keep from having to do another training cycle....


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Old 01-20-2007 | 01:54 PM
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I agree. It's ALL ABOUT $$$. FedEx will save money by either not allowing over 60 fe's to retrain or simply pass them passover.......
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Old 01-20-2007 | 02:19 PM
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Guys, this is the 3rd S.65 in three years. What makes you think this one will pass? Heck, it might not even make it out of committee. Last year it did, with almost all Dems against. Now the Dems are in control!!! Anyway, for every day it stays 60, more people punch out of the big iron!!!
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Originally Posted by jsled
Guys, this is the 3rd S.65 in three years. What makes you think this one will pass? Heck, it might not even make it out of committee. Last year it did, with almost all Dems against. Now the Dems are in control!!! Anyway, for every day it stays 60, more people punch out of the big iron!!!
Looks like it will change with or without Congress.
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Looks like it will change with or without Congress.
Sure it will. Lets just take another 18 months are so for the NPDM. Like I said, every day counts!!!!! Move em' out!!
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Old 01-20-2007 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jsled
Sure it will. Lets just take another 18 months are so for the NPDM. Like I said, every day counts!!!!! Move em' out!!
Except with all the exemption requests the FAA has been receiving and expected to approve you can expect very little "Move em' out!!"
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