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09-23-2015, 02:37 PM
#31
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MN isn't just a tough nut to crack for outsiders, it's also tough to crack if you live anywhere other than where you grew up. I left for 9 years and inexplicably came back, now live about 70 mi south of my hometown. Most of our friends are either coworkers or transplants (or both), because most people in our area grew up nearby, have a long-established circle of friends, usually have a bunch of kids, and just aren't inclined to go out of their way to welcome newcomers. They're nice, but the comments about that meaning "polite" rather than "friendly" are spot on (nevermind the statewide case of passive-aggression). We're working on getting out. Not because of the people, mind you - I'm just simply done with the winters. I never minded them growing up, but the years in SoCal and the PNW ruined me for life. I'm tired of shoveling snow in March & April. We can come back and visit during the summer - all two weeks of it!
05-01-2021, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by fasteddie800
Source? Or is this just a personal anecdote?
They’re not having “people leave in droves” but they’re having the citizens who seriously matter leave (high paying tax payers). The west side of Minneapolis has multiple rich suburbs that essentially fund the states liberal idea’s with it’s high 8% tax rate (those include Delta pilots). They’re finally having enough. Also word is the state tax will be increasing to pay off the mess for the last year from the combination of COVID and George Floyd riots.
It was an absolute headache for business owners as well for the last year. Everything was shut down, for example bars in the state of Minnesota. BUT only 20 minutes east across the border (Wisconsin), not only were bars open, but you were not even required to wear a mask. Completely different world, and the Minnesota governor ****ed off a lot of Minnesota small business owners.
Last edited by LAXtoDEN; 05-01-2021 at 09:05 AM.
05-02-2021, 08:23 AM
#35
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Another Minnesota voice heard from.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/i...wer-tax-state/
Most high net worth individuals are pretty mobile. Senior airline pilots especially so.
Drew Erra, a 52‐year‐old insurance broker and moving‐company co‐owner, and wife Melissa Erra, lived in Minneapolis for 24 years. But in July—when many Americans were realizing that working from home, remote learning and social distancing would be the new reality for a long time—they picked up and moved to Las Vegas. Their new home, a $3.2 million, arts‐and‐crafts home with a pool and golf‐course views, cost over $2 million more than the one they sold in Minneapolis. “I was paying 10.5% state income tax in Minnesota,” a rate which has now dropped to zero in tax‐free Nevada, Mr. Erra said. “Just the tax savings alone covered the cost of the house.”
Most high net worth individuals are pretty mobile. Senior airline pilots especially so.
05-02-2021, 12:56 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN
Last week I had a discussion with my best friend on the state of Minnesota. He grew up in St. Paul, based out of MSP, considering moving out of the state for good.
They’re not having “people leave in droves” but they’re having the citizens who seriously matter leave (high paying tax payers). The west side of Minneapolis has multiple rich suburbs that essentially fund the states liberal idea’s with it’s high 8% tax rate (those include Delta pilots). They’re finally having enough. Also word is the state tax will be increasing to pay off the mess for the last year from the combination of COVID and George Floyd riots.
It was an absolute headache for business owners as well for the last year. Everything was shut down, for example bars in the state of Minnesota. BUT only 20 minutes east across the border (Wisconsin), not only were bars open, but you were not even required to wear a mask. Completely different world, and the Minnesota governor ****ed off a lot of Minnesota small business owners.
They’re not having “people leave in droves” but they’re having the citizens who seriously matter leave (high paying tax payers). The west side of Minneapolis has multiple rich suburbs that essentially fund the states liberal idea’s with it’s high 8% tax rate (those include Delta pilots). They’re finally having enough. Also word is the state tax will be increasing to pay off the mess for the last year from the combination of COVID and George Floyd riots.
It was an absolute headache for business owners as well for the last year. Everything was shut down, for example bars in the state of Minnesota. BUT only 20 minutes east across the border (Wisconsin), not only were bars open, but you were not even required to wear a mask. Completely different world, and the Minnesota governor ****ed off a lot of Minnesota small business owners.
Every state gets their pound of flesh. Move to Texas and learn all about their property taxes. We have some of the best public schools in the country. All high school students eligible can enroll in on campus college classes, of their choice for free. My kid started their sophomore year with that program. Taxes pay for that, it doesn’t come out of thin air.
Ask any real estate agent in the Twin Cities and they’ll debunk this posters opinion. People are doing home tours via FaceTime and buying homes without ever entering physically. They don’t care about the prices since they’ll save $30k/year sending their kids to public school vs private. These are high income earners.
Be careful moving to the Wisconsin side. Many people escape to Wisconsin. They generate their income in Minnesota, but Minnesota doesn’t get to tax it. Meanwhile Wisconsin gets a free tax base without having the infrastructure costs that Minnesota takes in because all the commuters. Even then Wisconsin is poorly managed. Their schools aren’t ranked as well as Minnesota’s. Wisconsin will always have a special place in my heart. It’s where I was raised. But if you have kids the MN public schools can’t be beat. Especially if you have a child on an IEP.
My theory on everyone moving out because of “taxes”.....good riddance. We don’t need moochers. They want all the bennies but don’t want to pay their share. Move to Vegas or Orlando. Let the tourists pay to offset your costs. Someone has to pay it. I’ve lived in Arizona, Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, Washington. Minnesota is the best state for a return in your tax investment.
Our Schools, Parks, Bike paths, the programs to help fellow citizens are progressing in the right direction. I’m not taking about handouts, I’m talking about helping forward.
https://www.twincities.com/2020/11/1...n-the-suburbs/
Minnesota ranks higher than most states for retirement also. Want to live longer with better care. Stay in Minnesota. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ked/111330264/
05-02-2021, 05:28 PM
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Airline pilots seem to have a hard time grasping this because we have a federal exemption on how we pay state tax. For 99% of the population they pay state income tax in the state the income is earned in. If someone works in Minnesota but lives in Wisconsin they pay state income taxes in Minnesota. Pilots pay state income tax as transportation workers based on residence unless they do more than 50% of their work in one state in which case they pay in that state.
Your example about people moving does not change their requirement to pay income taxes to the state of Minnesota if they continue to work there.
Your example about people moving does not change their requirement to pay income taxes to the state of Minnesota if they continue to work there.
05-02-2021, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Airline pilots seem to have a hard time grasping this because we have a federal exemption on how we pay state tax. For 99% of the population they pay state income tax in the state the income is earned in. If someone works in Minnesota but lives in Wisconsin they pay state income taxes in Minnesota. Pilots pay state income tax as transportation workers based on residence unless they do more than 50% of their work in one state in which case they pay in that state.
Your example about people moving does not change their requirement to pay income taxes to the state of Minnesota if they continue to work there.
Your example about people moving does not change their requirement to pay income taxes to the state of Minnesota if they continue to work there.
“I am a resident of Wisconsin. Do I have to include the income I earned in another state on my Wisconsin tax return?
Yes. All income received by a Wisconsin resident is reportable to Wisconsin regardless of where it is earned. Wisconsin allows a credit for the net income tax you pay to other states on income that is taxed by both Wisconsin and the other state. In order for an individual, estate, or trust to claim this credit, you must:
- File an income tax return with the other state to determine the amount of net tax paid to that state
- File Wisconsin Form 1 or Form 2
- Attach a copy of the other state's income tax return
- Attach Wisconsin Schedule OS, Credit for Net Tax Paid to Another State
- Attach your Form W-2 (wage statement) or other withholding statement from the other state”
https://www.revenue.wi.gov/Pages/FAQS/pcs-work.aspx
05-02-2021, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Catboatsailor
Malarky, Minneapolis taxes funds the state, not the other way around as you claim. https://www.axios.com/minneapolis-st...jZNseaUF8mpVIc
Every state gets their pound of flesh. Move to Texas and learn all about their property taxes. We have some of the best public schools in the country. All high school students eligible can enroll in on campus college classes, of their choice for free. My kid started their sophomore year with that program. Taxes pay for that, it doesn’t come out of thin air.
- I’m well aware of their property tax. It would be easier just to go online and run a tax calculator for your salary for each state. Guess who has the one of highest net loss’s for take home pay in the country, Minnesota.
Ask any real estate agent in the Twin Cities and they’ll debunk this posters opinion. People are doing home tours via FaceTime and buying homes without ever entering physically. They don’t care about the prices since they’ll save $30k/year sending their kids to public school vs private. These are high income earners.
- The real estate agent will tell me interests rates have never been lower. You’re a real gem with the amount of reaching on this statement. This type of activity is going on in just about every state.
Be careful moving to the Wisconsin side. Many people escape to Wisconsin. They generate their income in Minnesota, but Minnesota doesn’t get to tax it. Meanwhile Wisconsin gets a free tax base without having the infrastructure costs that Minnesota takes in because all the commuters. Even then Wisconsin is poorly managed. Their schools aren’t ranked as well as Minnesota’s. Wisconsin will always have a special place in my heart. It’s where I was raised. But if you have kids the MN public schools can’t be beat. Especially if you have a child on an IEP.
- Multiple false statements on this. We get you love Minnesota.
My theory on everyone moving out because of “taxes”.....good riddance. We don’t need moochers. They want all the bennies but don’t want to pay their share. Move to Vegas or Orlando. Let the tourists pay to offset your costs. Someone has to pay it. I’ve lived in Arizona, Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, Washington. Minnesota is the best state for a return in your tax investment.
- Well that would depend on what tax bracket you fit in. Someone paying $20,000+ back to the state is not receiving that pay back to their pockets due to the states “great investments”. You’re so full of $hit.
Our Schools, Parks, Bike paths, the programs to help fellow citizens are progressing in the right direction. I’m not taking about handouts, I’m talking about helping forward.
https://www.twincities.com/2020/11/1...n-the-suburbs/
Minnesota ranks higher than most states for retirement also. Want to live longer with better care. Stay in Minnesota. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ked/111330264/
Every state gets their pound of flesh. Move to Texas and learn all about their property taxes. We have some of the best public schools in the country. All high school students eligible can enroll in on campus college classes, of their choice for free. My kid started their sophomore year with that program. Taxes pay for that, it doesn’t come out of thin air.
- I’m well aware of their property tax. It would be easier just to go online and run a tax calculator for your salary for each state. Guess who has the one of highest net loss’s for take home pay in the country, Minnesota.
Ask any real estate agent in the Twin Cities and they’ll debunk this posters opinion. People are doing home tours via FaceTime and buying homes without ever entering physically. They don’t care about the prices since they’ll save $30k/year sending their kids to public school vs private. These are high income earners.
- The real estate agent will tell me interests rates have never been lower. You’re a real gem with the amount of reaching on this statement. This type of activity is going on in just about every state.
Be careful moving to the Wisconsin side. Many people escape to Wisconsin. They generate their income in Minnesota, but Minnesota doesn’t get to tax it. Meanwhile Wisconsin gets a free tax base without having the infrastructure costs that Minnesota takes in because all the commuters. Even then Wisconsin is poorly managed. Their schools aren’t ranked as well as Minnesota’s. Wisconsin will always have a special place in my heart. It’s where I was raised. But if you have kids the MN public schools can’t be beat. Especially if you have a child on an IEP.
- Multiple false statements on this. We get you love Minnesota.
My theory on everyone moving out because of “taxes”.....good riddance. We don’t need moochers. They want all the bennies but don’t want to pay their share. Move to Vegas or Orlando. Let the tourists pay to offset your costs. Someone has to pay it. I’ve lived in Arizona, Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, Washington. Minnesota is the best state for a return in your tax investment.
- Well that would depend on what tax bracket you fit in. Someone paying $20,000+ back to the state is not receiving that pay back to their pockets due to the states “great investments”. You’re so full of $hit.
Our Schools, Parks, Bike paths, the programs to help fellow citizens are progressing in the right direction. I’m not taking about handouts, I’m talking about helping forward.
https://www.twincities.com/2020/11/1...n-the-suburbs/
Minnesota ranks higher than most states for retirement also. Want to live longer with better care. Stay in Minnesota. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ked/111330264/
I see you created an account just to give your feedback and how great the state of Minnesota is. I’ve heard about how big of homers you guys are up there, but this is some next level homer $hit.
Last edited by LAXtoDEN; 05-02-2021 at 10:40 PM.
05-03-2021, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Catboatsailor
Thank you for the correction, though we are both partially incorrect.
“I am a resident of Wisconsin. Do I have to include the income I earned in another state on my Wisconsin tax return?
Yes. All income received by a Wisconsin resident is reportable to Wisconsin regardless of where it is earned. Wisconsin allows a credit for the net income tax you pay to other states on income that is taxed by both Wisconsin and the other state. In order for an individual, estate, or trust to claim this credit, you must:
https://www.revenue.wi.gov/Pages/FAQS/pcs-work.aspx
“I am a resident of Wisconsin. Do I have to include the income I earned in another state on my Wisconsin tax return?
Yes. All income received by a Wisconsin resident is reportable to Wisconsin regardless of where it is earned. Wisconsin allows a credit for the net income tax you pay to other states on income that is taxed by both Wisconsin and the other state. In order for an individual, estate, or trust to claim this credit, you must:
- File an income tax return with the other state to determine the amount of net tax paid to that state
- File Wisconsin Form 1 or Form 2
- Attach a copy of the other state's income tax return
- Attach Wisconsin Schedule OS, Credit for Net Tax Paid to Another State
- Attach your Form W-2 (wage statement) or other withholding statement from the other state”
https://www.revenue.wi.gov/Pages/FAQS/pcs-work.aspx
Covid has however caused a interesting issue with this. Tax hungry states in the NE are going after people who’s jobs were in Boston, NYC ect.. and have been working from home. They claim they are no longer earning the income in those cities but rather where they reside since they work from home. The cities mentioned are claiming that even though they work from home the income is earned in the cities. This leaves the taxpayer with two states both wanting to tax them!
Last edited by sailingfun; 05-03-2021 at 05:33 AM.
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