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You Against my better judgment I'll entertain the delta guys in the thread.
Many if not most of us worked for some regional "partner" that flew delta passengers on planes painted in delta colors. Many of us would be delta pilots and not spirit pilots and it's likely spirit wouldn't have pilots at all, but instead it was you, the delta pilot, that were too good to fly the rj. Instead of flying cargo, or flight instructing, or military, and going straight to delta you forced us all to grind it out at a regional "partner" for a decade making peanuts and just hoping to get a call for so much as an interview. While you guys had to figure out how to live with one BMW and a one Chevy instead of two BMWs we were barely eating. A guy can only put his life on hold for so long while waiting for a call that may never come. Some of us are still waiting while we are at spirit but if it never happens we can at least make a living and maybe just maybe put a kid in college if we save our pennies. That was simply not possible while working for the regional "partner" that you, the delta pilot created. Let's be clear, while many of us believe in the model at spirit we do not to the point that we are willing to subsidize it to make it successful. We will not vote for a contract that does not recognize our worth as professional pilots. How the company makes money behind my door is up to them but the pointy end looks the same as your pointy end and I expect to be compensated the same or better than you, the delta pilot, and will not settle for less. Sure we have a small percentage of white trash with no options in our cockpits that will work for peanuts but they are a small minority and the rest of us just aren't that stupid. You reference our growth in Atl. We have TWO count them TWO gates. How many does southwest or for that matter did AirTran have? I don't see you bagging on them. That's right they have a legacyesque contract. What about 20 years ago? Not so much. So 20 years ago they sucked but now they're ok? Got it. Why don't you give us a chance to do what needs to be done? And may I remind you that many of us wouldn't even be here if we had flown all of those rjs as delta pilots. You did that. And if you really want to put an end to spirit get dalpa to convince delta to offer any spirit pilot a seniority number and a class date for the planned 2016 hiring. I'll be there tomorrow and I would bet at least another 600-700 of my spirit brothers. Hell delta gave flow class dates with no interviews to plenty of rj pilots that were actually willing to lower the bar and perpetuate the whipsaw race to the bottom. Those of us not willing to do it were snubbed, and here we are. You can teach most competent pilots to fly any jet at any airline but what you have flowing to delta right now is a bunch of guys that have proved they are willing to work for less and a bunch of "yes men" mil guys. Some are willing to be ass raped for a promise of something better later. Those guys got flows. Some of us just aren't so we are going to have to earn it the hard way and that's what we are doing here at spirit. No matter how you slice it spirit was an upward move from where we were at. Does that mean we are happy with how things are? Hell no! And we are here to change it the hard way. Back to the OPs point. If someone comes here they better do it with their eyes open because the pay numbers are real and qol is mostly myth. Qol is ok but not something incredible that doesn't exist elsewhere. I actually hope you don't come here because that only gives us more leverage but if you do you better be willing to fight the good fight and not just be happy it's better than a regional. |
Looking at his posts, he spent time at compass, flowed to Delta recently and now is better then all of us. Oh, and gets to lecture us. Hey window, were you even there long enough to vote no on that contract or are you just talking down to us for what your fellow pilots did?
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Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin
(Post 2030676)
Looking at his posts, he spent time at compass, flowed to Delta recently and now is better then all of us. Oh, and gets to lecture us. Hey window, were you even there long enough to vote no on that contract or are you just talking down to us for what your fellow pilots did?
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Originally Posted by Rainbows
(Post 2030687)
Not even sure why we're feeding that troll. He'll be crying a different tune once he's furloughed. May even try and apply to Spirit.
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2030670)
You Against my better judgment I'll entertain the delta guys in the thread.
Many if not most of us worked for some regional "partner" that flew delta passengers on planes painted in delta colors. Many of us would be delta pilots and not spirit pilots and it's likely spirit wouldn't have pilots at all, but instead it was you, the delta pilot, that were too good to fly the rj. Instead of flying cargo, or flight instructing, or military, and going straight to delta you forced us all to grind it out at a regional "partner" for a decade making peanuts and just hoping to get a call for so much as an interview. While you guys had to figure out how to live with one BMW and a one Chevy instead of two BMWs we were barely eating. A guy can only put his life on hold for so long while waiting for a call that may never come. Some of us are still waiting while we are at spirit but if it never happens we can at least make a living and maybe just maybe put a kid in college if we save our pennies. That was simply not possible while working for the regional "partner" that you, the delta pilot created. Let's be clear, while many of us believe in the model at spirit we do not to the point that we are willing to subsidize it to make it successful. We will not vote for a contract that does not recognize our worth as professional pilots. How the company makes money behind my door is up to them but the pointy end looks the same as your pointy end and I expect to be compensated the same or better than you, the delta pilot, and will not settle for less. Sure we have a small percentage of white trash with no options in our cockpits that will work for peanuts but they are a small minority and the rest of us just aren't that stupid. You reference our growth in Atl. We have TWO count them TWO gates. How many does southwest or for that matter did AirTran have? I don't see you bagging on them. That's right they have a legacyesque contract. What about 20 years ago? Not so much. So 20 years ago they sucked but now they're ok? Got it. Why don't you give us a chance to do what needs to be done? And may I remind you that many of us wouldn't even be here if we had flown all of those rjs as delta pilots. You did that. And if you really want to put an end to spirit get dalpa to convince delta to offer any spirit pilot a seniority number and a class date for the planned 2016 hiring. I'll be there tomorrow and I would bet at least another 600-700 of my spirit brothers. Hell delta gave flow class dates with no interviews to plenty of rj pilots that were actually willing to lower the bar and perpetuate the whipsaw race to the bottom. Those of us not willing to do it were snubbed, and here we are. You can teach most competent pilots to fly any jet at any airline but what you have flowing to delta right now is a bunch of guys that have proved they are willing to work for less and a bunch of "yes men" mil guys. Some are willing to be ass raped for a promise of something better later. Those guys got flows. Some of us just aren't so we are going to have to earn it the hard way and that's what we are doing here at spirit. No matter how you slice it spirit was an upward move from where we were at. Does that mean we are happy with how things are? Hell no! And we are here to change it the hard way. Back to the OPs point. If someone comes here they better do it with their eyes open because the pay numbers are real and qol is mostly myth. Qol is ok but not something incredible that doesn't exist elsewhere. I actually hope you don't come here because that only gives us more leverage but if you do you better be willing to fight the good fight and not just be happy it's better than a regional. |
Another thing I noticed is, we have lots of flights out of DFW and ORD, that over laps AA and UAL. We don't see any United or AA pilots on here saying "You're stealing our passengers." If anything, the UAL and AA pilots are happy with our flights, since it makes their commute easier. Window Seat should go look at the recent Sun Country contract and remember that they operate mostly out of MSP.
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Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin
(Post 2030676)
Looking at his posts, he spent time at compass, flowed to Delta recently and now is better then all of us. Oh, and gets to lecture us. Hey window, were you even there long enough to vote no on that contract or are you just talking down to us for what your fellow pilots did?
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2030670)
You Against my better judgment I'll entertain the delta guys in the thread.
Many if not most of us worked for some regional "partner" that flew delta passengers on planes painted in delta colors. Many of us would be delta pilots and not spirit pilots and it's likely spirit wouldn't have pilots at all, but instead it was you, the delta pilot, that were too good to fly the rj. Instead of flying cargo, or flight instructing, or military, and going straight to delta you forced us all to grind it out at a regional "partner" for a decade making peanuts and just hoping to get a call for so much as an interview. While you guys had to figure out how to live with one BMW and a one Chevy instead of two BMWs we were barely eating. A guy can only put his life on hold for so long while waiting for a call that may never come. Some of us are still waiting while we are at spirit but if it never happens we can at least make a living and maybe just maybe put a kid in college if we save our pennies. That was simply not possible while working for the regional "partner" that you, the delta pilot created. Let's be clear, while many of us believe in the model at spirit we do not to the point that we are willing to subsidize it to make it successful. We will not vote for a contract that does not recognize our worth as professional pilots. How the company makes money behind my door is up to them but the pointy end looks the same as your pointy end and I expect to be compensated the same or better than you, the delta pilot, and will not settle for less. Sure we have a small percentage of white trash with no options in our cockpits that will work for peanuts but they are a small minority and the rest of us just aren't that stupid. You reference our growth in Atl. We have TWO count them TWO gates. How many does southwest or for that matter did AirTran have? I don't see you bagging on them. That's right they have a legacyesque contract. What about 20 years ago? Not so much. So 20 years ago they sucked but now they're ok? Got it. Why don't you give us a chance to do what needs to be done? And may I remind you that many of us wouldn't even be here if we had flown all of those rjs as delta pilots. You did that. And if you really want to put an end to spirit get dalpa to convince delta to offer any spirit pilot a seniority number and a class date for the planned 2016 hiring. I'll be there tomorrow and I would bet at least another 600-700 of my spirit brothers. Hell delta gave flow class dates with no interviews to plenty of rj pilots that were actually willing to lower the bar and perpetuate the whipsaw race to the bottom. Those of us not willing to do it were snubbed, and here we are. You can teach most competent pilots to fly any jet at any airline but what you have flowing to delta right now is a bunch of guys that have proved they are willing to work for less and a bunch of "yes men" mil guys. Some are willing to be ass raped for a promise of something better later. Those guys got flows. Some of us just aren't so we are going to have to earn it the hard way and that's what we are doing here at spirit. No matter how you slice it spirit was an upward move from where we were at. Does that mean we are happy with how things are? Hell no! And we are here to change it the hard way. Back to the OPs point. If someone comes here they better do it with their eyes open because the pay numbers are real and qol is mostly myth. Qol is ok but not something incredible that doesn't exist elsewhere. I actually hope you don't come here because that only gives us more leverage but if you do you better be willing to fight the good fight and not just be happy it's better than a regional. |
Originally Posted by Window_Seat
(Post 2030877)
Hopefully you are a better investigator than a Captain. None of that is correct but it should be pretty evident where I came from...and how my views haven't changed since I started in this industry 10 years ago. Many of your posters want to bring the regional mindset to a 220 seat Airbus. We are not at Colgan anymore boys.
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Originally Posted by The Juice
(Post 2030908)
Ah man, you messed up your one liner...
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