The hole in your logic is Spirit isn't flying in regional markets. You are competing head to head with the legacies while undercutting pilot wages/benefits.

Do the math. Again, every plane load you fly in a major market is one less plane load for the Legacies. And YOU want to "upgrade" to a legacy flight deck?

"Oh, I have another foot. Let's shoot that one, too!"

Nearly 6 pages of this thread and I haven't actually yet understood what this thread is about ...


Although, as usual it's turned into a Delta versus the world thread

Man hatters gonna hate , to each his own

What are you talking about? Who said I want to go to a legacy? You're assuming that we all want to leave. Also, what would you have said 5 years ago about our contract? I bet any US Air guy would have given a lot for it! Inevitably we will get a good contract and be back where we need to be with pay and benefits. And inevitably we will keep expanding from major hub to major hub. And, god willing, we keep taking passengers from you guys well into the future. You see, my friend, I work for Spirit and I hope to keep working here for a very long time. We are your COMPETITORS! Get it?

Yeah, I get it. Glad you're proud of the fact that you're stabbing your ALPA brothers in the back by flying for substandard pay/benefits.

Good for you. Looks like Spirit found a low self-esteem sucker.

I didn't say that at all. I told him to come here and see what the next contract brings. If it's higher pay and a good retirement, he's already here. If it is a long drawn out process or inferior, leave. Pretty simple.

Also, you're a fool if you think pilot labor costs have that much of an impact on our margins, or any airlines for that matter

Typical RLA negotiations go 2 to 5 years past their amendable date. Factor that in....

We are in negotiations, genius. Should we all just quit and hope that the legacy gods will shine their light down upon us?

Again, typical RLA pilot negotiations drag out 2 to 5 years past their amendable date. Do you really think Spirit has any intention of giving up poor pilot pay rates anytime soon?

The key word in RLA contracts is "amendable". There is never a termination date. You could be working for your current rates for years to come.

And "retro" pay? Perhaps a "signing bonus." But full retro is a pipe dream.

Well, let's burn this place down and hand the keys to you guys! All hope is lost!

Listen, buddy. We're doing our best to get a leading contract. I'm sure we will get a much better deal soon enough. I'm confident that our guys won't ratify anything less. In the meantime, our job is to keep doing our job. Flying from major city to major city is what we do here. We aren't flying passengers on an rj that bought tickets on your website for **** wages. That is where your gripe needs to be.

Packrat I believe you fly for Alaska? If so you guys didnt exactly bang it out of the park with your recent contract. Talk about undercutting, Wow.
At least our contract is 5 years old what's your excuse?