you're not understanding what i said. I said if it exceeds their ability to staff the airline (new hires, upgrades) and all the deliveries we have on order. They don't care about turnover. There is a difference.

I hate to get into the middle if this, but I am new to this site and have an interview with spirit. After reading this forum I'm not so sure I even want to go.
I have been a regional Capt for 3 yes seems the pay scale the company has proposed is no better than where I am.
Ya you have brand new aircraft but why come to spirit to be responsible for more people and be paid so poorly.....Thoughts

I guess the good thing about this this thread is that managament reads APC and maybe they'll see how insulting their proposal was.

Whether or not they care is another thing


Spirit may currently appear to be a dead end job (subject to change!)but it's less of a dead end job than a regional. You have no decision to make
Until you are offered a class. Worst case, you get an AIRBUS type and see what our next contract brings. Nobody says you can't leave

Its a personal choice that you will certainly have to weigh the pros and cons of where you are and where you want to be at any point in time, most likely by retirement. Many of the posts on this and other threads give good insight, so do your due diligence and read through them (albeit with a grain of salt). Yes we are in section 6 negotiations, and yes at the current time we are much lower than our peers in many areas. However, the current contract was signed over 5 years ago, resulting in leap frogging of peer groups with their own CBA. One day your at the bottom, the next at or near the top, etc. One thing I often tell myself is even with all the crap we may put up with, the worst day here is still better than the best day at my former regional. "At the end of the day" each regional is still a sub-contractor regardless if your a wholly owned. We have seen where regionals can be bought/sold/ at a whim. Whipsawing IMHO will always be prevalent and a factor at each regional airline. Although times are good now with improvements to pay and other QOL advancements to regionals in this cycle, what will happen during the next economic downturn is anyone's guess. Again, when the music inevitably stops, will you have that proverbial chair......

Great post. I agree with everything you said.

I didn't post my comment with the intention of making this a Jetblue vs spirit argument. We have our own problems that we're trying to fix with our first ALPA contract. I only pointed that out because Smails and Rainbows came on here attacking the OP and telling him to "just quit". That's such a juvenile argument I felt I had to speak up.

Precisely. The sky isn't falling. It's frustrating but at least you'll come into this eyes wide open. We have great pilots and it's mostly a good place to work. worst case scenario you get the type and quit for a better job.

*they're

You will find any way you can to justify your industry leading concessionary wages won't you?

4 days off between 6 day work blocks. Pretty sweet brah. And yes, your rates do take away the negotiating power legacy pilots have. Are they helping?

Hey guys, can you tell me exactly how much those regional FOs make?...... Just curious.

Don't forget that we have free smiles here guys!

A 220 passenger, A321 is a stepping stone now? That's a new low. You do realize you are actually taking passengers from higher paying legacy jobs right, same jobs you keep your apps updated for?
Now if you weren't doing it at such a discount it wouldn't be an issue (the argument being it's actually a legit business model rather than than depending on cheap labor that doesn't realize their own value subsidizing growth and maintaining profit margins).

First year is in the 40's now. 2nd year 43 1st year capt (3rd yr seniority) $80..
Most Rjs carrying 70 pax

Ya and we had those crappy pins years ago to..."Busted" for doing something good...