Originally Posted by beverage (Post 2121923)

And for god sake, stop standing behind the podiums in ORD when trying to get a flight out on time. Utilize the ample space/seating provided elsewhere (read: disappear minions).

Originally Posted by BUSDVR (Post 2121680)

Also, when this CEO says, we have the fastest captain upgrade, and that's why low compensations are justified, is completely false, and complete nonsense!

Assuming that you upgrade in 2.5 years, a 3rd year Captain in Spirit makes slightly ($10-20), more than a 3rd year FO in Legacies or even JB, SW or VA. But, how about the first two years that Spirit pays almost $40 less than others. When you do the math, even you upgrade as early as two years, you still don't break even with others, and you're still underpaid! Dear CEO, we maybe low tier, according to you, but, defiantly not stupid!!!!


One more thing! Do you guys know any flying school who trains LOW TIER pilot and it's really cheap?!!!!

Originally Posted by Jmckeo (Post 2121941)

I feel like spirirt and Frontier both fall into that class another reason why both should become one airline

Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2122092)

Spirit is in dire need of changing their business plan. A merger of Spirit and Allegiant, who's business plan matches no-one, might be a better future combination.

Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2121720)

If I were at Spirit I wouldn't for a second think about leaving for a legacy. The Spirit model is absolutely fantastic and the way to go going forward, and the management understands this. Let's see, highest margin in the industry, fastest growth in the industry, great safety record, by almost all metrics your company is firing on all cylinders. The legacies especially AA are very hurt by your route network and a Frontier tie up will further strength it and also severely hurt UAL.

The legacy cost structure will be their downfall, low oil prices are making the profits profitable now but moving forward they are going to get squeezed. Moving forward, their high cost international flights are going to see immense competition from the likes of NAI or copy cats. I actually like jetBlue over all the carriers out there, they have a great mix of lower cost and excellent service.

You guys may not pay the most right now but what about in the future? You're part of a growing company that has a solid business model. Keep in mind there was a time when UPS and FedEx was where the legacy wannabe's went. Same with SWA. Delta, yes even Delta for a time in the 80's was also a 2nd tier place where guys went to rot sitting sideways on the 727.

Keep your chins up.

Originally Posted by VegassBus (Post 2122098)

Not even close. Allegiant is a travel company with an airline. With a fleet of old beat to **** 80s & Airbus.

Also how is an airline with the highest margins in dire need of changing their "business plan"?

Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2122103)

Spirit is being picked apart by American. Yesterday's news lends some credit to this possibility. Spirit is looking for a new model.

Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2122103)

Spirit is being picked apart by American. Yesterday's news lends some credit to this possibility. Spirit is looking for a new model.

Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2122103)

Spirit is being picked apart by American. Yesterday's news lends some credit to this possibility. Spirit is looking for a new model.

Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 2122104)

Don't think so....they're readjusting the routes this fall and adding smaller markets that won't overlap as much with the Big 3. The business model isn't broken, it just needs tweaking.

If they really want a more productive operation, they need to appreciate and pay their pilots.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2122102)

What do you think is going to happen with spirits cost structure?

Originally Posted by VegassBus (Post 2122109)

And what news is this?, lol

Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2122115)

I see you are trying to now pivot and change the argument. I've been a forum poster for a long time now and recognize this amateur move. You should also know I am nearly always right in my predictions. Ask anyone over in the regional slum area of the forum.

Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2122115)

I see you are trying to now pivot and change the argument. I've been a forum poster for a long time now and recognize this amateur move. You should also know I am nearly always right in my predictions. Ask anyone over in the regional slum area of the forum.

Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2122103)

Spirit is being picked apart by American. Yesterday's news lends some credit to this possibility. Spirit is looking for a new model.

Originally Posted by VegassBus (Post 2122120)

Come on First Class, us Low Tier folks are dying tooooo know

Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2122115)

I see you are trying to now pivot and change the argument. I've been a forum poster for a long time now and recognize this amateur move. You should also know I am nearly always right in my predictions. Ask anyone over in the regional slum area of the forum.

Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2122115)

I see you are trying to now pivot and change the argument. I've been a forum poster for a long time now and recognize this amateur move. You should also know I am nearly always right in my predictions. Ask anyone over in the regional slum area of the forum.

Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 2122142)

He may have been referencing this article:

ANALYSIS: Spirit and Allegiant Diverge

Originally Posted by VegassBus (Post 2122113)

It will increase but the model itself will always keep costs much lower than a traditional legacy (and not because of pilot compensation).

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2122554)

Swing and a miss. Take a look at history.

Originally Posted by VegassBus (Post 2122567)

Already have old man but thanks. And if it's the history books you like to look at I wouldn't get too comfortable on that High Horse of yours

Originally Posted by RadarColor (Post 2122575)

Idiot...!!!

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2122554)

Swing and a miss. Take a look at history.

Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod (Post 2122595)

Please excuse Mr. Bus. He has no frame of reference for issues occurring outside his parents' basement.

Originally Posted by VegassBus (Post 2122567)

Already have but thanks. And if it's the history books you like to look at I wouldn't get too comfortable on that High Horse of yours

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2122634)

No high horse here. Start up/LCC's either become large/successful with high overhead or they die off. Not saying anything about spirit other than your advantageous cost structure will change. Look at SWA.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2122634)

No high horse here. Start up/LCC's either become large/successful with high overhead or they die off. Not saying anything about spirit other than your advantageous cost structure will change. Look at SWA.

Originally Posted by The Revenge (Post 2122642)

I disagree. Spirits not a LCC. It's a ULCC. Spirit compared to SWA is apples and oranges. There's a difference. Spirit has revolutionized the airline industry in creating additional revenue streams besides just the ticket sale. It's not just the ULCC's taking advantage of the revenue streams either. Bought a ticket on AA lately? I have, many times. Every ticket I've bought on them in the last three years only allows me to buy a window or aisle seat for each leg. Otherwise your dumped in a middle seat.

Tried to buy a ticket on SWA lately? I have numerous times. I don't consider them a LCC any longer. They are restricted in revenue streams. No baggage fees, no soda fees, no reserve a seat fees, no first class uncharged. They're ticket prices reflect it too. Without adding those additional revenue stream to their business model they are boxing themselves into a corner of increased labor cost and only recouping it on the actual ticket sale.

Originally Posted by VegassBus (Post 2122567)

Already have but thanks. And if it's the history books you like to look at I wouldn't get too comfortable on that High Horse of yours

Originally Posted by VegassBus (Post 2122602)

Don't be mad at me because you're getting the smallest raise come Contract 2020. And your anger shouldn't be at the young guys like me, it's nobody's fault but your own that you've been here as long as you have and are stuck at this Hellhole until you medical out......

Fix the Slope

Originally Posted by RadarColor (Post 2122678)

Really!?! Look at any city pairs comparing SWA to Spirit. When you add one carry-on bag and one checked bag the cost of a spirit ticket is upwards of 25% more. How many people take only a purse or computer bag on a trip. GMAFB

Oh, did you see their earnings for the last 5 quarters!

Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod (Post 2122688)

but you and your millennial buddies would rather play the victim, divide the group, and perpetually whine about slope. No matter how much you try to help, sometimes kids just won't listen.

Originally Posted by The Revenge (Post 2122706)

Did you read anything I posted? You just admitted exactly what I posted about the additional revenue streams on top of the ticket sales. GMAB

Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod (Post 2122688)

I think you over estimate your importance in my world. I don't measure my success / happiness by the size of YOUR pay check. If/when we get a new CBA we will both be getting a raise. If your raise happens to be bigger, good for you. I don't really care that much about you to be angry. I tried to tell you early on how this company works and you were being overly optimistic thinking we would have a TA by August. I said fix the whole pay scale (which also fixes slope) but you and your millennial buddies would rather play the victim, divide the group, and perpetually whine about slope. No matter how much you try to help, sometimes kids just won't listen.

Originally Posted by SG1159 (Post 2122681)

Just curious VEGAS- how many airline contract negotiations have you been involved with?