Spirit low tier pilots
 

Hey guys,

On behalf of Robert, Jyri and myself, I'd like to invite all pilots with low self esteem to apply at Spirit. If you fall into one of the following categories, we'd love to hear from you:

Consider yourself "good enough".
Like not seeing your family for at least 4 weeks during training.
Feel that a quick upgrade (5+ years) is worth it.
Enjoy being valued by flight ops management.
Like having flight ops management visit recurrent, mock other airlines and mimic inserting vegetables into his posterior.
Like avoiding eye contact with other airline pilots.
Like avoiding eye contact with passengers.
Like to rationalize your decision to join a particular employee group.
Unable to read a balance sheet.
Like propaganda.
Gullible (see above).
Feel that having regrets in life is actually healthy.

If you feel that you fit any of the above descriptions, we'd love for you to attempt to fill out our online app and pay money to come to one of our awesome "schmooze fests".

High five guys!!

Hi. My name is Vinnie and I'm a low tier pilot.

(Group) Hiiiiii Vinnie

Don't forget! If you love being on time 50% of the time 100% of the time. Apply to this [graham cracker]hole!

If you want your pay shorted apply here!

If you want to work for the Worst Ceo of 2010 (and soon to be 2016) apply here!

If you want Comair Execs who love to give free high fives! Apply here!

If you want Eagle & VA rejects who love to discuss shoving cucumbers up his ass to recurrent ground school apply here!

If you want to wait 8 hrs for an electronic trade to get denied apply here!



If you want to make $20,000 your first year apply here!

If you want to do red eyes to third world countries in and out of FLL & IAH, apply here!

If you want to work for an airline with the greatest "slope" in the industry, get on over here!

If you love deadheading 2-3 legs on day one and day 6 of a RSV assignment, apply here!

If you want emails EVERY SINGLE holiday from the guy who likes to insert vegetables up his anus begging you to cover the open "accoutrements" because they can't staff properly, apply here!


If you want to learn to fly an Airbus by someone who's never seen the airplane on a trainer that doesn't work appopplllllyyyyyyyyyyyy here!


And for the record, the only "Low Tier" employee at this place is upper management. If we flew airplanes like they run this place, there would be smoking holes all over North America.

How senior is the FLL base? What's the upgrade time in FLL?

Wrong thread boss, but to answer your question


Senior & NEVER

Are you guys pretty confident that it can be fixed, at least mostly fixed? Or is there a greater sense that all hope is lost?

Anything can be fixed its just the time & work required. I'll battle it out here as long as I'm here but I'm a CA and update my apps every day

Well, we have a CEO that has zero interest in any employee at NKS. Bob's public comment was that we are a lower tier airline, below JetBlue. Our VP of Flt Ops thinks we are not equal to our peers at other airlines operating the same or similar a/c, even though we are much more productive than any legacy and on par with SW.
We have a battle ahead of us here, many are trying to leave, but 99% are willing to walk if it comes to that.

You might have just put your finger on any pilot group's Achilles heel. Namely, the personal cost required to fix a place is weighed individually by every pilot against the personal cost required to just leave and go to a better place. This likely results in a collective apathy that companies take full advantage of.

Disheartening. The deck is stacked at so many levels.

Damn, Spirit is starting to eerily sound like Allegiant... minus the "creative" places to insert fruit. Though I have been told to "be flexible."

Biggest difference is we have work rules (not just 117) and our airplanes are maintained better.....

Ehhhhh yes and no. Two fairly different operations. Our M/X is stellar compared to yours. And we have an ALPA contract. Etc.....

Minus a fleet of airplanes that are not the oldest most worn out motors for the LCCs. If your m/x isn't the best, not saying it isn't we wouldn't know it.

Either way, we have an Autistic CEO who was already ranked Worst CEO of 2010, Bendo who honestly believes high fives will make up for low compensation and Jyri...........

Well, I haven't a clue what that [oven roasted chicken eat]ing guy does besides send Emails that I print out and wipe my ass with

This guy.......Attachment 2824

Bus...that had to be sarcasm. :eek:

And if it wasn't, well then he's got mgmt material written all over him! This is exactly the type of person our clown show in Miramar is looking for. :mad:

That is some funny [lasagna]t!
Laughed out loud; sorry you guys have to live it though.

I would be greatful for "low tier" management.

That would be an upgrade.

No, these clowns are decidedly "bottom rung" management.

Actually profit margin at an all time high. No major incidents either so the airline is operating according to the LCC model. Pay just high enough that the operation still goes.
Lastly, what's changed. Last year pilots on this very board bragging about nk's profitability.
Everyone who thinks Mgt is dumb is missing the point of Mgmt. If you were an Investor would you want your CEO paying more than he needed to safely make planes go?

Yeah, that's great right up to the point where it's not. Smoking holes do wonders for profitability. :rolleyes:

And here comes Mr know it all.

Here's the difference. We gave mgmt the benefit of the doubt because we were told by our weak MEC chairmen at the time that we were close to a T/A. Things have changed and their true colors have shown and our patience is about gone. Im not going to explain to you what happens next.

I guess they'll find out that happy pilots make airplanes go at some point

So there are "Tiers of a Clown"? :D

Captain upgrade
 

Also, when this CEO says, we have the fastest captain upgrade, and that's why low compensations are justified, is completely false, and complete nonsense!

Assuming that you upgrade in 2.5 years, a 3rd year Captain in Spirit makes slightly ($10-20), more than a 3rd year FO in Legacies or even JB, SW or VA. But, how about the first two years that Spirit pays almost $40 less than others. When you do the math, even you upgrade as early as two years, you still don't break even with others, and you're still underpaid! Dear CEO, we maybe low tier, according to you, but, defiantly not stupid!!!!


One more thing! Do you guys know any flying school who trains LOW TIER pilot and it's really cheap?!!!!

And don't forget, Delta now has MD-80 Captains with upgrade times less than Spirit and FedEx has 757 Captains with upgrade times less than Spirit. Upgrade is NOT and should not be a basis for low pay. I'm thinking either our CEO is blind to what's going on, or he's pulling the wool over the stock owners' eyes. Either way I'm not so sure he's someone we want as our CEO.

I know, just making generalities.

Dont worry, the legacies will have massive retirements and United needs 5,000 pilots over the next few years, Delta is taking more deliveries and will hire 800-1000 per year over the next few years, AA with more deliveries on the way and will hire 700-800 per year for awhile and new contracts with huge raises and QOL improvements, pretty soon everyone will just start to leave Spirit for a legacy job and Spirit management will start to panic a little bit and wont know what to do and be forced to improve the place to make it competitve just to keep pilots there

You know the best we can hope for is that the legacies moan and groan to the guvment about the lack of available pilots to hire and we get bought by a legacy. Put our management out to pasture and we end up on someone's seniority list. But, my luck we are gonna merge with Frontier to become a Mega Ultra Low Cost Carrier, a MULCC, the lowest of the low tiers.

If I were at Spirit I wouldn't for a second think about leaving for a legacy. The Spirit model is absolutely fantastic and the way to go going forward, and the management understands this. Let's see, highest margin in the industry, fastest growth in the industry, great safety record, by almost all metrics your company is firing on all cylinders. The legacies especially AA are very hurt by your route network and a Frontier tie up will further strength it and also severely hurt UAL.

The legacy cost structure will be their downfall, low oil prices are making the profits profitable now but moving forward they are going to get squeezed. Moving forward, their high cost international flights are going to see immense competition from the likes of NAI or copy cats. I actually like jetBlue over all the carriers out there, they have a great mix of lower cost and excellent service.

You guys may not pay the most right now but what about in the future? You're part of a growing company that has a solid business model. Keep in mind there was a time when UPS and FedEx was where the legacy wannabe's went. Same with SWA. Delta, yes even Delta for a time in the 80's was also a 2nd tier place where guys went to rot sitting sideways on the 727.

Keep your chins up.

You have no idea how badly I wan to believe this but I'm just not sure. And us believing this is what allows them to pay is so low and drag out this contract.

Uh, yikes! It's best to get stuff correct (may be, definitely) when calling others stupid...just saying. :eek: :)

Other than that, your message is spot on accurate!

New to forum, and don't know how to edit posts. When I submitted, I noticed, but it was too late!!! Sorry!

No worries, friend...we've all done it; and, we'll all do it again.
I was just bustin' balls. After all, we're Low Tier Pilots...we can't be expected to get it all correct while we're busy cleaning up the drool from our slack jaws, right?!?

No harm was intended, reference the smilies.

Welcome to reality. Better late than never

This industry is a Ferris wheel. Those at the top inevitably come down and those at the bottom eventually rise. I'm not the first to say that there are some long term threats to the legacies on the horizon which may pose a serious threat to their wild profits right now. The next 5 years are bound to be pretty nutty in this industry.

Except it's been like a Ferris Wheel rolling down a hill since the 70's in terms of overall QOL/Income for a part 121 pilot.

IE: The top pay/benne's for days worked continually gets rationalized over the last 50 years.:eek:

I think the same could be said for most professions. Just wait until 30% of current middle class and lower-income jobs are gone in the next 20 years due to automation. What then?

Hi, my names Bill and I'm a low tier pilot. ....... I feel much better now. Thanks.

And for god sake, stop standing behind the podiums in ORD when trying to get a flight out on time. Utilize the ample space/seating provided elsewhere (read: disappear minions).