logging time for long haul operations
01-23-2017 | 10:55 PM
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time for crew rest
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logging time for long haul operations
Just wondering,
How do you guys log long haul time? For instance, 2 crew operation on a 14 hour flight. You are the relief captain and you spend 6.5 hours in the bunk and 6.5 hours in the left seat in cruise. How much time do you put in your log book and how is it logged?
I'm an American B777 captain for a foreign airline. I'm just curious if the way it is done in my country is the same way I should be logging it in my USA logbook.
Thanks,
Got2Fly
How do you guys log long haul time? For instance, 2 crew operation on a 14 hour flight. You are the relief captain and you spend 6.5 hours in the bunk and 6.5 hours in the left seat in cruise. How much time do you put in your log book and how is it logged?
I'm an American B777 captain for a foreign airline. I'm just curious if the way it is done in my country is the same way I should be logging it in my USA logbook.
Thanks,
Got2Fly
01-24-2017 | 06:30 AM
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Just wondering,
How do you guys log long haul time? For instance, 2 crew operation on a 14 hour flight. You are the relief captain and you spend 6.5 hours in the bunk and 6.5 hours in the left seat in cruise. How much time do you put in your log book and how is it logged?
I'm an American B777 captain for a foreign airline. I'm just curious if the way it is done in my country is the same way I should be logging it in my USA logbook.
Thanks,
Got2Fly
How do you guys log long haul time? For instance, 2 crew operation on a 14 hour flight. You are the relief captain and you spend 6.5 hours in the bunk and 6.5 hours in the left seat in cruise. How much time do you put in your log book and how is it logged?
I'm an American B777 captain for a foreign airline. I'm just curious if the way it is done in my country is the same way I should be logging it in my USA logbook.
Thanks,
Got2Fly
01-24-2017 | 10:15 AM
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FAR 61.51
That's the answer. Period.
01-24-2017 | 11:02 AM
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Just wondering,
How do you guys log long haul time? For instance, 2 crew operation on a 14 hour flight. You are the relief captain and you spend 6.5 hours in the bunk and 6.5 hours in the left seat in cruise. How much time do you put in your log book and how is it logged?
I'm an American B777 captain for a foreign airline. I'm just curious if the way it is done in my country is the same way I should be logging it in my USA logbook.
Thanks,
Got2Fly
How do you guys log long haul time? For instance, 2 crew operation on a 14 hour flight. You are the relief captain and you spend 6.5 hours in the bunk and 6.5 hours in the left seat in cruise. How much time do you put in your log book and how is it logged?
I'm an American B777 captain for a foreign airline. I'm just curious if the way it is done in my country is the same way I should be logging it in my USA logbook.
Thanks,
Got2Fly
When you're on break are you no longer the Captain? If there's a problem, the flight deck will call you to participate in any required decision, right? I'd log all of the time.
01-24-2017 | 02:21 PM
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There may be two captains assigned to a trip. The one designated PIC logs all the time.
61.51(f)(1) pertains to second in command, in most cases a first officer. 61.55 states SIC qualifications. They can log the time they occupy the seat.
That said, savvy logbook reviewers may or may not take a dim view of a SIC from logging the entire time for a long haul flight.
01-24-2017 | 02:50 PM
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61.51(f)(1) pertains to second in command, in most cases a first officer. 61.55 states SIC qualifications. They can log the time they occupy the seat.
That said, savvy logbook reviewers may or may not take a dim view of a SIC from logging the entire time for a long haul flight.
That said, savvy logbook reviewers may or may not take a dim view of a SIC from logging the entire time for a long haul flight.
01-25-2017 | 12:42 AM
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Just wondering,
How do you guys log long haul time? For instance, 2 crew operation on a 14 hour flight. You are the relief captain and you spend 6.5 hours in the bunk and 6.5 hours in the left seat in cruise. How much time do you put in your log book and how is it logged?
I'm an American B777 captain for a foreign airline. I'm just curious if the way it is done in my country is the same way I should be logging it in my USA logbook.
Thanks,
Got2Fly
How do you guys log long haul time? For instance, 2 crew operation on a 14 hour flight. You are the relief captain and you spend 6.5 hours in the bunk and 6.5 hours in the left seat in cruise. How much time do you put in your log book and how is it logged?
I'm an American B777 captain for a foreign airline. I'm just curious if the way it is done in my country is the same way I should be logging it in my USA logbook.
Thanks,
Got2Fly
It's a good question. The two captain/two F.O. answer is pretty simple to me. When you are in the left seat and the other captain is asleep in back you are PIC. When you are asleep in back the other captain is the PIC. Simple as that. It may not be the way the airline says to log it, but to me it makes the most sense. Your logbook is a record of your aeronautical experience so that time in the left seat with an F.O. in the right seat is PIC time. Time in the bunk is nothing and does not belong in the logbook in this example.
Example two would be one captain and two F.O.s on a 3 crew flight of 8-12 hours. Now there is only one PIC on the airplane. So you log the whole flight as PIC, even the time in the bunk.
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