Justdoinmyjob

I'm hoping it is occuring right now.........[/quote]

But have you contacted your reps to make sure it's happening?

Bucking Bar

But, it worked out for the Continental pilots.

Your negotiators had a good offer on the table. Eastern never had it so good. Eastern was never offered 40% raises and relative seniority into a larger fleet.

Eastern's war against Lorenzo was noble. Anderson is no Lorenzo. In this case Northwest is no Eastern and you should not wish such for your fellow pilots.

slowplay

It's nice that you can argue so cogently for your position using nothing but facts and without namecalling, Opus.

btw, I was flying airplanes pre-madonna...

slowplay

That will certainly be illuminating. While there are almost always multiple sides and shades of grey to a story, the light of day will provide an interesting context for an evaluation of the integrity, veracity, and efficacy of the parties.

Unfortunately $2 Billion in returns were squandered by the parties inability to reach a deal. The loss of 4 airlines to Chapter 7 and an additional bankruptcy this week, plus Steenland's push to merge without pilot participation probably have the board's full attention on ensuring that corporate economics are protected. If rammed through in the more traditional style, the DAL pilots have some contractual leverage to extract value, but it will probably be on a significantly lower scale than the "pre-nup" deal. I understand the NWA MEC is meeting today; I hope they have found leverage to improve the Northwest pilots current contractual position through a traditional path.

StripAlert

It's going to be even worse trying to figure out how to merge 2005-hire captains...

sailingfun

RedDog, Delta has not agreed to anything like what you post. They have not been asked to agree to anything like that and never would. Just read your own contract at NWA and you will see that your contract as well as Delta's prohibits that type of operation. One Newspaper took the traditional merger concept and twisted into a separate operations for life deal. I am amazed that so many NWA pilots and some Delta pilots gave even a shred of credence to that story. The story then got reprinted by other papers
Here is what has happened. It appears we are merging like it or not. The Delta contract has some scope that makes a merger difficult for management. They are offering contract improvements to DALPA to waive those items. (International Code Share Block Hours & RJ limits to name two). We would also agree not to oppose the merger. None of this has anything to do with NWA. If we were to agree then the company would merge the airlines. A PID would be started and DALPA and NWAALPA would begin the process to merge the lists like every other merger before this one. There would be split operations only until we had a combined list again like every other merger prior to this one. Once we had a list we would be one airline. At the same time a list was negotiated we would be working on a new combined contract to go into place with the actual merger date. This could take from 6 months to 2 years. The good news is if NWA wants arbitration they will get it on the SLI.

sailingfun

There is no TA at the moment. As has been nearly every other article published on the merger they press has it wrong. There may be a TA this weekend but as of Friday night there was not a TA.

Scoop

What difference does captain make? I assume there are some really senior FO's with a DOH much earlier then 2005. Do you think these 2005 captains should get special consideration over FO's that are senior to them? Your relative position on the seniority list is all that matters.
Think about it, if a junior captain gets displaced it is his relative seniority that determines what he can hold - the fact that he was captain does not normally merit any special consideration.
Scoop

StripAlert

My point is that part of the problem with DAL-NWA from the DAL side is that there are very junior people holding widebody F/O at DAL where this is a much more senior position at NWA. A CAL vs. UAL merger would be even more disparate, with 3-year CAL Captains potentially becoming junior to UAL F/O's who are presently 7 more years from the left seat. The guy who is about to be senior enough at CAL to hold EWR 737 Captain suddenly finds himself years from the left seat using DOH or ratio, which certainly has a negative impact on his career expectations. That is going to be uglier than the problem we're grappling with at DAL-NWA for sure.

DAL4EVER

And this is why mergers will always suck for someone unless your seniority #1. And then of course the guy who is #2 will be ****ed he got bumped from #1 at his previous carrier.