Spaceman Spliff

my MEC is staying positive, which is what LOA 19 requires. off the record, I think many of them expect this to go to arbitration.

nothing in their recent experience w/NWA negotiators indicates that there will be any agreement on SLI; arbitration is the next step. I'd much rather try that then get bent over by NWA's version of a "fair" SLI.

you're a junior guy at NWA...do you really think there should be 2,000-3,000 DAL guys below you? sure it would be nice--but is it even remotely realistic?

I wouldn't be too worried about me disagreeing with my MEC, when yours bypassed some very strong pre-merger incentives which have come and gone, and squandered a great deal of leverage in the process...and is still minus a transitional agreement. shoot, that may even mean it will take a couple of years or more for NWA to get up to DAL pay levels (as pathetic as they are)...certainly not what either one of us want. But no need to blame us.

Maybe you should disagree with your MEC.

in any case, I hope we can put this unpleasantness behind us as quickly as possible so we can start trying to restore this profession.

Jay5150

Keenster,

Partly because I'm bored and partly because it might be helpful to see some specifics, I did a little more research for you:

I made the assumption that you're only interested in widebody captain and I used your figure of #1728 on the DAL list.(24%)

Here's where you stand on the May category lists and what kind of line you'd hold based on the May bid awards:

Base

-equipment
-your number out of total number of pilots on that equipment
-hourly rate (plus intn'l override where applicable)
-line holder or reserve based on what the junior guy to you without any vacation in May held


ATL

-767-400
-173 out of 180
-$196
-line holder with 18 days off (this is probably an annomoly as alot of senior guys down bid to reserve for some reason, probably reserve for you)


-767-300ER
-257 out of 316
-$165
-reserve


-767/757 (domestic)
-276 out of 415
-$160
-line holder with 19 days off


CVG

-767/757 (domestic)
-85 out of 111
-$160
-line holder with 19 days off

LAX

-767-300ER
-32 out of 44
-$165
-reserve


-767/757 (domestic)
-85 out of 148
-$160
-line holder with 19 days off


NYC

-767-300ER
-171 out of 262
-$165
-line holder with 18 days off


SLC

-767/757 (domestic)
-82 out of 100
-$160
-reserve


Just to give you some actual numbers to look at. Also consider this:

Someone posted somewhere the numbers of NW guys living in or near DAL bases and vice versa. I have no idea if these were accurate, but it could be researched. My personal opinion is that more... many more.... NW guys will be bidding into DAL bases than the other way around. So even if DAL guys with junior DOHs end up senior to you, unless more of them bid into MSP or DTW than NW guys that bid out, it wouldn't matter would it? I mean your position on the total list doesn't matter near as much as your position on your particular base/equipment. And if you are one of the guys that would bid to a DAL base, it would obviously be for a better QOL that wasn't available to you before.

Just some thoughts

DAL4EVER

If Jay5150, doesn't buy you drinks after that than he's a clown. That was a lot of work. Nice job.

Ferd149

you're a junior guy at NWA...do you really think there should be 2,000-3,000 DAL guys below you? sure it would be nice--but is it even remotely realistic?

Spiff,

Geeze I get so sick of this! NOWHERE has there EVER been a hint of 2 to 3 thousand DAL guys going to the bottom of the list. Put up the NWA table position if you got it. Other wise...........

Ferd

rvr350

Good work, Jay. I think we're pulling up the same data for Keenster. (Just wait until Carl refuses to believe it until he sees it with his own eyes I think regarding people moving around bases, except DTW/JFK, we'll see a significant amount of pilots bidding out of MSP to SLC/LAX, and a smaller amount bidding from DTW to ATL (FL commuters). DTW is a great airport, but when I was working there, about 75% pilots commute out to either NE/SE.

And there's no monetary/QOL amount that NWA can put on the table for the DL newbies.

1215police

There is no way a DAL newhire, or even someone hired post 9-11 should be senior (with regards to furlough possibilities) to an NWA pre 9-11 hire.

No monetary/QOL amount that DAL can put on that either.

nwa757dtw

where is the assistant greenskeeper when we need him?

tsquare

He hasn't been around for 4-5 days, so I would guess he is in the middle of his monthly workweek Must be nice to be senior.

Carl Spackler

No...just got into a little trouble from the head greenskeeper. All I did was move the garden hose to another location, and everyone at the ladies luncheon got all upset.

http://www.geocities.com/rgstylercarlspackler/

Carl

keenster

Man that was some great work but only one problem. You did not add the 1240 NWA guys senior to me to the 1728 delta guys putting my new number around 2968. This is a great example of how out of whack the relative seniority list is. I should probably be able to fly all those positions that you said that I could but I do not want any of the Delta positions. I just want to have access to things that would have some my way without the merger. Seems as if none of our orders and options count but the Delta ones do.