Pineapple Guy

From what I've heard, he was 0 for 26 in merger related negotiations. Went to arbitration every time. What's the point of having a negotiator if he always abdicates that responsibility?

Superpilot92

Any idea why your guy resigned? Pretty weird both side lost someone at the same time. Weird

acl65pilot

His was to spend time with his family. It was to much of a drain on them.

Carl Spackler

It is a very good thing folks. Now that he is gone, I'll say that I went absolutely ballistic with our MEC when they appointed him. I told them in no uncertain terms that it was a decision they would regret in short order. To say why I felt that way serves no purpose. The point is, our chance for the first negotiated SLI in history just got a lot better.

Carl

MJB68

Don't know the guy, certainly don't know the reasons, but... I'd venture to say that however this SLI goes down there are going to be hundreds at least, and perhaps thousands, of P.O.'d pilots. Doesn't matter if you work your hardest at it, doesn't matter if you do what you think is right for your fellow pilots or the company. There are going to be alot of angry people for whatever reason. Pilots (me included) find an excuse to whine about anything, and seniority is a big one with long term ramifications. Maybe you'll never be senior enough to fly the whale, maybe you'll have to change bases, maybe you think you look fat in a double breasted suit. There are a million reasons people will **** and moan and hold a grudge over this. Now, I have to ask myself.... given that, who the hell would want their name permanently associated with what lies ahead?! You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. As much as I'd like to see true LEADERS emerge and take the reigns, I don't think it's gonna happen. Rather, I think they'll all let this go to arbitration anyway, so everyone can say "I didn't do it!"

slowplay

If that's the case, and they're P.O.'d from both sides, then there probably has been equity. I know Delta has sent guys to the table that don't mind their names on things. I hope whoever replaces Laz has that same trait.


I think we've seen a real leader develop here at Delta. Lee Moak was elected 7-6 in a hotly contested election in 2005, just 3 weeks before Delta declared bankruptcy. He took office on the day our pension quit paying lump sums, and 4 weeks later was in court for the 1113. Two years later his reelection was unanimous, and that was after going through a bankruptcy contract. He's the first guy to ever get labor in front of a merger like this. If he can close the deal with a negotiated SLI, there will be 12500 pilots and a whole lot of other employees better off for it. And there'll be more money and better job security for all of us.

Pineapple Guy

Let me take a stab at it.....

Carl = Very senior Red Book pilot
Laz = Very senior Green Book pilot



For all of our sakes, let's hope we can reach a negotiated settlement. I've got too many years left to put up with the "I got xxxxxx in the merger" banter.

Pine

DeadHead

I heard there was a fight to the death, and apparently in didn't go well for either side.

Superpilot92

i dont think thats it. The pilot group prefers it not go to arbitration. All those guys have to say is would you have preferred an arbitrator control the outcome?

CVG767A

I'm with Carl on this one (Did I just say that?). If this was the guy who was so proud of his perfect record of arbitrations, I'm glad he stepped aside. Let's get this thing done at the negotiating table.