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08-08-2008, 01:14 PM
#11
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I'm confused as to why you think my opinion that this JPWA is a POS, and that I believe the right thing to do is turn it back, is somehow a conspiracy.
I realize, SP, that you think that anyone who doesn't accept your party line, and who utilizes some individual thought, is automatically wrong, crazy, and should be locked up.
I think you'll find there are several thousand DAL pilots who beg to differ with your fairly parochial and self-serving viewpoint.
I realize, SP, that you think that anyone who doesn't accept your party line, and who utilizes some individual thought, is automatically wrong, crazy, and should be locked up.
I think you'll find there are several thousand DAL pilots who beg to differ with your fairly parochial and self-serving viewpoint.
08-08-2008, 01:18 PM
#12
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How do they lose seniority list instructors? All the guys instructing there now won't automatically be fired will they? We will need 9, bus, and whale instructors and we sure don't have any on Va Ave. With all the training required to get them chicken fried I would expect all their instructors to be kept.
08-08-2008, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff
I agree wholeheartedly, wiggy. I think NuGuy is a NALPA functionary trying to "prep the battlefield" for the windfall you predict. If the contract was as horrible as he claims it is, we'll see NWA vote it down.
But does anyone expect NWA to not pass it in a landslide? Of course not.
Also--anyone care to wager how many DAL pilots are going to change their votes to "NO" this weekend, now that oil is plummeting?
But does anyone expect NWA to not pass it in a landslide? Of course not.
Also--anyone care to wager how many DAL pilots are going to change their votes to "NO" this weekend, now that oil is plummeting?
If this passes, it will be around 55-45% I predict. It will be a very close vote I have a feeling.
08-08-2008, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
I think that is because of the ten minutes its taking people to call ALPA national and get a voter pin instead of using their ALPA number to log into the system.
08-08-2008, 02:28 PM
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Hey Spiffy,
I as an NWA pilot, have done nothing but try to make the best of this situation and form/build a positive pilot group. I have and many other nwa guys have stated the importance of being a unified group. I think the pay raises on the NWA side and the increased medical benies, plus the lower block will be a wash for some guys. I havent worked the numbers, yet but it may not be these giant significant raises on our side. Nonetheless, I think the benifit of this merger will be power in numbers and the next contract in 2012 or 2015 by the time it is said and done. I have heard or chosen to hear how the DAL group is the saving grace of NWA. I just dont think that is true. I want to sit side by side with my stick buddy and not **** and moan about how things went down 15 yrs down the way.
I as an NWA pilot, have done nothing but try to make the best of this situation and form/build a positive pilot group. I have and many other nwa guys have stated the importance of being a unified group. I think the pay raises on the NWA side and the increased medical benies, plus the lower block will be a wash for some guys. I havent worked the numbers, yet but it may not be these giant significant raises on our side. Nonetheless, I think the benifit of this merger will be power in numbers and the next contract in 2012 or 2015 by the time it is said and done. I have heard or chosen to hear how the DAL group is the saving grace of NWA. I just dont think that is true. I want to sit side by side with my stick buddy and not **** and moan about how things went down 15 yrs down the way.
08-08-2008, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by INAV8OR
Hey Spiffy,
I as an NWA pilot, have done nothing but try to make the best of this situation and form/build a positive pilot group. I have and many other nwa guys have stated the importance of being a unified group. I think the pay raises on the NWA side and the increased medical benies, plus the lower block will be a wash for some guys. I havent worked the numbers, yet but it may not be these giant significant raises on our side. Nonetheless, I think the benifit of this merger will be power in numbers and the next contract in 2012 or 2015 by the time it is said and done. I have heard or chosen to hear how the DAL group is the saving grace of NWA. I just dont think that is true. I want to sit side by side with my stick buddy and not **** and moan about how things went down 15 yrs down the way.
I as an NWA pilot, have done nothing but try to make the best of this situation and form/build a positive pilot group. I have and many other nwa guys have stated the importance of being a unified group. I think the pay raises on the NWA side and the increased medical benies, plus the lower block will be a wash for some guys. I havent worked the numbers, yet but it may not be these giant significant raises on our side. Nonetheless, I think the benifit of this merger will be power in numbers and the next contract in 2012 or 2015 by the time it is said and done. I have heard or chosen to hear how the DAL group is the saving grace of NWA. I just dont think that is true. I want to sit side by side with my stick buddy and not **** and moan about how things went down 15 yrs down the way.
I for one look forward to getting this done and moving forward together!!
08-08-2008, 02:45 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff
Once again, ALPA national drops the ball. It doesn't even take 10 minutes to vote for the President of the United States. Yet somehow, ALPA is incapable of instituting a secure, usable voting mechanism. Those guys are getting WAY too much of our money.
08-08-2008, 03:31 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by caddis
Spiff,
What do you want the NWA guys to "give up" to attain harmony. I now you think we gave up nothing in the JPWA, but let me list a few things.
70 instead of 75 hours for reserve guarantee, I live in base and like reserve this is a big deal to me.
Premium pay for all flying over 80 hours, not just Green Slips
$1500 in additional medical costs per month for retirees, his could slow down age 60 retirements on our side.
Additional medical premium costs of about $500 or more per year
Plus others....
The biggest thing we are going to give up is in the SLI. For me there is no way I end up in the same relative seniority at the end of my career as I will at NWA. I would end up in the top 40 pilots at retirement age at the combined entity I end up about at 300 with DOH. We have a guy that has a cool little seniority crystal ball that lets you see these things. Guess what I do not think we will get DOH I am betting on some type of relative seniority. In that situation I will lose even more. Now Spliff listen closely, I understand I am going to lose some seniority, I can live with it as long as it is not gross. I see the greater good in this merger.
Since I live in a Northern base I will not be bidding to take your seat in NY or anyones in ATL so do not worry about me if I am senior to you.
I will gladly raise a toast with my Delta buddies in my squadron when this is done, because we will all be better off in the long run. Heck Spliff I would even have a beer with you.
What do you want the NWA guys to "give up" to attain harmony. I now you think we gave up nothing in the JPWA, but let me list a few things.
70 instead of 75 hours for reserve guarantee, I live in base and like reserve this is a big deal to me.
Premium pay for all flying over 80 hours, not just Green Slips
$1500 in additional medical costs per month for retirees, his could slow down age 60 retirements on our side.
Additional medical premium costs of about $500 or more per year
Plus others....
The biggest thing we are going to give up is in the SLI. For me there is no way I end up in the same relative seniority at the end of my career as I will at NWA. I would end up in the top 40 pilots at retirement age at the combined entity I end up about at 300 with DOH. We have a guy that has a cool little seniority crystal ball that lets you see these things. Guess what I do not think we will get DOH I am betting on some type of relative seniority. In that situation I will lose even more. Now Spliff listen closely, I understand I am going to lose some seniority, I can live with it as long as it is not gross. I see the greater good in this merger.
Since I live in a Northern base I will not be bidding to take your seat in NY or anyones in ATL so do not worry about me if I am senior to you.
I will gladly raise a toast with my Delta buddies in my squadron when this is done, because we will all be better off in the long run. Heck Spliff I would even have a beer with you.
Caddis,
Great post, or more accuately, good post that finishes real strong - great attitude. On another subject Why are you guys complaining about not flying 90 hours? Or should I say being forced to fly 90 hours. The ALV varies but nothing stops guys from requesting a "high time" line. Given the fact that you will be making more in less time seems a good thing to me. For the guys who want to fly their ass off - go for it. Nothing will stop you except the FAR limit.
The one wildcard in all this is if aircraft get parked and we are fat on Pilots - the flight time could come down for everyone, but this would also happen to DAL and NW as stand-alone airlines - either that or furloughs.
I can't believe that I am defending this merger - SP's optimism must be wearing off on me.
Scoop
08-08-2008, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
I can't believe that I am defending this merger - SP's optimism must be wearing off on me.
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I'll Drink To That!!
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08-08-2008, 04:04 PM
#20
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
Bingo!! Being a unified group NOW will bring more to ALL of us and IMHO is the biggest gain we can ever get.
I for one look forward to getting this done and moving forward together!!
I for one look forward to getting this done and moving forward together!!
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