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08-09-2008, 08:22 AM

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newKnow

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Slow,

Doesn't your DPMA only cover two years of an extended sick call?

Also, Why do you guys defend your jumpseat booking policy so much? Just admit that ours, combined with our call in honest policy is far superior.

4 1/2 days or 3 1/2 days to book a jumpseat? What happens if you pick up a trip that leaves a day later? Do you have to cancel the jumpseat? What happens if you have to call off of a trip because of a family emergency? Can you still use that jumpseat that you booked for work to go to the emergency?

Sometimes the simplest system is the best one.

08-09-2008, 08:25 AM

#42

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Also, line pilots as instructors is the way to go. You are a much better teacher if you have done it as opposed to heard about it.

08-09-2008, 08:34 AM

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The call in honest program is just one example of the "culture" differences we have with the Delta guys.

We are an airline of commuters and the aren't (by and large). When the new company starts moving flying around like crazy, exNWA guys will just come up with a new commute plan and the Delta guys start trying to figure out how to get out of ATL. Then they will start asking questions about how our old policy used to work. I'll just remind everyone it's harder to get something back once it's gone.

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08-09-2008, 10:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NuGuy

Heyas Slow,

Typically, NWA IP positions are available to just about everyone who shows an interest. It's a great way to break up the routine of flying the line.

It's a fairly tough job, and I have NEVER run into a single NWA pilot that begrudged the IPs of their "deal"

Nu

I guess we'll mark that to "cultural" differences. We used to have all seniority list instructors as well, and I had a slight preference for that program. Management selected their "choices" for the program; those pilots in general earned substantially more than line pilots, had more time at home, and better flying schedules. They also served at the pleasure of management.

We still have line pilot instructors doing checking.

08-09-2008, 10:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by newKnow

Slow,

Doesn't your DPMA only cover two years of an extended sick call?

Yes. That equals 2160 hours of your sick leave, as we use our sick leave before we start using DPMA. Our guys told us that the average NWA pilot had less than 1000 hours of sick leave, so your average guy will get increased coverage at a subsidized cost.

Quote:

Originally Posted by newKnow

Also, Why do you guys defend your jumpseat booking policy so much? Just admit that ours, combined with our call in honest policy is far superior.

4 1/2 days or 3 1/2 days to book a jumpseat? What happens if you pick up a trip that leaves a day later? Do you have to cancel the jumpseat? What happens if you have to call off of a trip because of a family emergency? Can you still use that jumpseat that you booked for work to go to the emergency?

Sometimes the simplest system is the best one.

I'll take your "call in honest" policy with our jumpseat policy. I won't admit your jumpseat policy is better (I think it's worse, actually, as it doesn't provide preference for someone going to or from work). If we have a family emergency, the CPO will book you on the jumpseat as company business to go home.

08-09-2008, 11:46 AM

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Eric Stratton

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At delta how do you guys know who's going to work, home or on pleasure trips with your jumpseats?

08-09-2008, 12:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Stratton

At delta how do you guys know who's going to work, home or on pleasure trips with your jumpseats?

The computer does, and when you call to book it, there are three prompts, going to work, going home, and pleasure. If you select going to work and don't have anything on your schedule, trip or reserve period, the computer won't make the reservation.

08-09-2008, 05:11 PM

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Keenster,
Do you fly 87 hours a month or get paid for 87 a month? I know the average DAL pilot gets paid for more hours than he flies and I assume its the same at NW. Like I said you bring up some points - but the inability to fly your butt off at DAL aint one of them.

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08-09-2008, 05:16 PM

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New,
The jumpseat booking system actually works pretty good. It favors guys going to work over guys going home/personal travel. Since you guys have trips longer than 4 days maybe we will have to tweak the sytem. If you are not going to use the J/S to work then you should cancel it so another can use it if needed. As far as emergencies go once you have the seat its yours, but this is probably a good question for the J/S rep.

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08-09-2008, 05:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoop

Since you guys have trips longer than 4 days maybe we will have to tweak the sytem.

Or you can do what some of the guys flying the 6-day ER trips do. Teach your spouse how to reserve the JS for you. She wants you home for some "Honey-Dos," she can pick up the phone.