DAL "Yes" Voters: Take a hike.
09-15-2008, 04:25 AM
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I did not vote for LOA 19. I will however point out that LOA 19 was sold to the pilots who voted yes as a stepping stone to the joint contract which would be much better! Since the joint contract had little to offer over 19 many who voted yes on 19 voted no on the contract. Sadly not enough voted no. There is no upside in the contract if the combined companies do very well. We simply sit and watch as our 1986 wage level gets eroded even more by inflation.
09-15-2008, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
I didn't want to start a fight, I just wanted to tell Space to shut up and row, because if he voted for the previous agreement he dare not say anything to anyone who voted for this agreement.
09-15-2008, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I did not vote for LOA 19. I will however point out that LOA 19 was sold to the pilots who voted yes as a stepping stone to the joint contract which would be much better! Since the joint contract had little to offer over 19 many who voted yes on 19 voted no on the contract. Sadly not enough voted no. There is no upside in the contract if the combined companies do very well. We simply sit and watch as our 1986 wage level gets eroded even more by inflation.
The contract leaves a lot to be desired but referencing the bolded statement above, what about:
1. Profit sharing.
2. Expansion/growth/movement.
3. A modicum of stability in an otherwise turbulent industry.
4. Entering the next round of contract negotiations with a company that is doing "very well."
So to say that there is no upside is, I believe, too strong of a statement. I do agree however, that many may feel the "upsides" are inadequate.
Now will these upsides outweigh the numerous negatives? Only time will tell.
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09-16-2008, 09:01 AM
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Everyone wishes we could have gotten more $$$. Take away the JC and everything at Delta. Now look at the rest of the industry, what is the top 1/3 of the industry making? That's about where we're gonna end up.
Don't get me wrong, I want as much money as we can get out of the company. IMO, with Oil being VERY volatile at the moment, the economy being in the crapper, we're not gonna break the mold on $$$ at THIS TIME. The rest of the industry doesn't support it, at this time.
Maybe if the $$$ is that bad, one could go work for SWA and uh, all those other higher paying jobs?
Criticizing others for how they voted will accomplish nothing at this point. Again, we all wanted more but it is what it is. If it really sucks that bad to be at Delta, then leave.
Don't get me wrong, I want as much money as we can get out of the company. IMO, with Oil being VERY volatile at the moment, the economy being in the crapper, we're not gonna break the mold on $$$ at THIS TIME. The rest of the industry doesn't support it, at this time.
Maybe if the $$$ is that bad, one could go work for SWA and uh, all those other higher paying jobs?
Criticizing others for how they voted will accomplish nothing at this point. Again, we all wanted more but it is what it is. If it really sucks that bad to be at Delta, then leave.
09-16-2008, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Waiting for more information from the union on why they would grant this concession and limit hiring.
Originally Posted by MoonShot
And why there aren't any contract enhancements for the relief. I know, saves displacements...
As to the point regarding NWA being over-manned, and moving some of them to the 88 and Delta holding off on new hiring...doesn't this smack of collusion between two companies who have yet to merge? Not arguing the merits of these actions/decisions, just wondering if there's an exception or collusion is allowed.
09-16-2008, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
All of it is rumors until DCC. Then it will be in print.
09-16-2008, 03:46 PM
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True. None of the "good goes round" will be shared until they know we will all pay nice with the SLI and however it goes.
I would not be too shocked to see a few things announced that need to start for the summer '09 schedule.
I would not be too shocked to see a few things announced that need to start for the summer '09 schedule.
09-17-2008, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I truly hope you are not an FFDO. I cannot imagine you being able to pass a psych eval.
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