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Old 09-11-2008, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff View Post
Hey guys, I'm just trying to stir the pot and start sowing the seeds for a HUGE contract next time around (or earlier). I honestly do not think we were represented well at the latest negotiations. We need to have more imagination and be willing to take some risk if we expect any kind of worthwhile reward. I sincerely apologize for throwing ACL and others under the bus in my recent posts.

I enjoy working at Delta, and I will enjoy working for the "new" Delta. I am just very dedicated to obtaining restoration as soon as possible, and I don't think we're going about it the right way.

Management is not DALPA's friend, and they will never give us anything. I'm tired of DALPA and management having the same opinion on everything. They shouldn't.
Duuuuude, come on.
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Old 09-11-2008, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff View Post
Management is not DALPA's friend, and they will never give us anything. I'm tired of DALPA and management having the same opinion on everything. They shouldn't.
It's interesting that you have this attitude, yet that is exactly what happens at the most profitable airline and one which is the most unionized. Just because you're labor doesn't automatically make you diametrically opposed to management. You need to stop thinking tactically and start thinking strategically.
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Old 09-11-2008, 06:38 PM
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Not that I agree with anything he says, but if he did vote for LOA 19 you need to thank him, because it got you those new payrates you are about to enjoy ace...
Dude, come on. Please don't start the game of "you need to thank me for your payrates." Relax and let him answer the question I was asking him.

The point is, if he voted for LOA 19, how can he be-little anyone who vote for this new contract, claiming it is insufficient, since it is pretty much the same as what you had before?

Thanks for your patience in letting him answer, ace....
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Old 09-12-2008, 03:37 PM
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space case went way beyond stirring the pot.

stirring the pot is asking if he ever came up with things that the delta pilot group has given up with the new contract.

is he from msp?
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Old 09-12-2008, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
yes-yes
yes
320,dc-9
msp,dtw
Gotta say BS on the -88s going to MSP and DTW. Some maybe..a few at that.
They use them like big RJs to feed ATL........and remember...people love their frequency. A 320 and an RJ will not feed ATL.
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Old 09-13-2008, 04:22 AM
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I did not say all. They are not moving entire fleets.
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Old 09-13-2008, 05:23 AM
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DALPA just agreed to a change in flying hours for M88 copilots. It looks like this increase will mean the hiring in the fall will now not happen. Rumor is that they did not want to hire pilots in the DALPA side when there will be a surplus on the NWA side that can be transferred over to fill the void after DCC. The waiver is for Jan, Feb and March would be about the time it would take to retrain NWA pilots on the Maddog after DCC. Waiting for more information from the union on why they would grant this concession and limit hiring.
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Old 09-13-2008, 06:47 AM
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Waiting for more information from the union on why they would grant this concession and limit hiring.
And why there aren't any contract enhancements for the relief. I know, saves displacements...
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Old 09-13-2008, 08:32 AM
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Waiting for more information from the union on why they would grant this concession and limit hiring.
marketing decided to fly an additional 3000 hours a month on the 88 during the first quarter. This is time that was going to be flown by RJs, but will now be mainline. Even if we started hiring today, new pilots would not be ready in time to cover this flying. Realistically, you can't just snap your fingers and have new hired in class overnight. Add to that, for budgetary reasons, they don't want to start hiring until 09.

The union's choice was grant the waiver or risk losing this flying back to RJs. What would you have done? I think the union did exactly the right thing this time.
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Old 09-13-2008, 11:49 AM
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They did, and it allows the company to hire after SLI. It allows some other issues to be worked out.
As for displacements, it would make no sense to do it, since we will will be pulling up for the 777 here in the next few months.
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