flyguy1

Not going to happen. NWA management sees a need for staffing increase once the merger is announced. VP of Flight Ops doesn't think we will need to hire in the near future, but sees increases in our monthly maxes early next year.

Denny Crane

Last I heard was that NW Pilots and Delta Pilots can not cross train on equipment until after SOC, which is not going to happen before this time next year or later. Am I missing something?

acl65pilot

Yes a LOA.
Truly a lot is assumed, but many that I talk to state, DAL can hire NWA guys and just give them a DAL seniority number. It is a DAL HR deal, but if needed the unions will more than likely be brought it.
It will be a non even if more planes are brought out of the desert and 50's are put in the desert, and management allows at least 200 early outs.

Denny Crane

If that happens, it will be interesting to see how they work the seniority list for those guys. Do they use there NW or Delta seniority? Granted, it probably wouldn't make a lot of difference.

But as a new hire Delta guy, they would have to go to indoc etc and I don't see how any one could be trained and ready by Jan 09 with a DCC of 1 Nov.

sailingfun

With the LOA just signed they would not need NWA pilots on the Delta side until Apr 09. Plenty of time to get them trained. It would only take a side letter from both unions to move the pilots over. NWA/Republic did it after their merger.

acl65pilot

I think that was the root cause to do it. It allows the SLI to be completed and then have the staffing issues dealt with. In the interim they do not need to hire the 50 or so needed for later this fall.
It results in an ordered seniority list with out other issues after SOC.

tsquare

So then tell why you are so interested in how anybody voted on LOA 19? I know exactly why. You just won't admit it here. You just want to start a fight over water that has passed under the bridge and has no current bearing on the current contract before us.

This contract IS insufficient, and it's none of anybody's business how I vote. I really find it amusing that guys stand up and say "I voted this way or that way... " as if that makes you a better person/pilot/union member because of that vote. There's a reason that votes are done behind curtains. If it makes you feel better, then by all means, tell us how you will vote for President. I really couldn't care less who you vote for nor the reasons that you vote that way. Why does it matter to you?

newKnow

Sir,

I have no idea of why you assume you can reach inside my head and tell me why I asked a question.

But, the title of this thread is, "DAL "Yes" Voters: Take a hike."

Just to inform you of my thinking when I asked ANOTHER PERSON -Not you, but Space- a question; I was trying to find out if he voted for LOA 19 then why would he find this joint agreement so lacking all of a sudden. Basically, in my opinion, if he did vote for LOA 19, he can't turn around and say that the joint agreement was inadequate because it was pretty much the same agreement, he voted for earlier. (If he did vote for LOA 19)

I was planning on defending anyone who voted for LOA 19 and then voted for this joint agreement as at least being consistent.

Now as for all that other stuff you spouted off, I have no clue of what you are talking about. I didn't want to start a fight, I just wanted to tell Space to shut up and row, because if he voted for the previous agreement he dare not say anything to anyone who voted for this agreement. I didn't ask how you voted and I didn't and still don't care. My question was addressed to the thread starter who was attacking how other people voted.

I really don't even know how to address your last paragraph because it seems that your super-intuitive powers failed to pick up on the fact that I was trying to make those exact same points to Spaceman.

What I find interesting is that you initiate your response to me by making clear that you really didn't agree with him but then went out of you way to try to belittle me by suggesting that I owe him some thanks for my meager paycheck. So what does this say about you?

1. That while you think the new contract (K) is "insufficient," you think it is good enough for Northwest Pilots that they should have to thank all Delta pilots for getting it for "us."

&

2. You would rather ignore a fellow Delta pilot who attacks and possibly even threatens +60% of your pilot group, to instead fabricate an issue so as to initiate a debate with a NWA pilot who is probably on your side. Why? I don't know, but I suggest you try to find out.

The bottom line is that I really don't care how you voted and I didn't ask. Try being patient the next time and see where the line of questioning goes. You might find that the person asking the questions is on your side.

And for the record: O - B - A - M - A. (For all the right reasons)

New K Now

Razor

There's nothing "right" about Obama.

acl65pilot

No for the right reasons, not the wrong ones. Same way you can look at any side of an argument.
There is no way that one person can agree with everything another is saying. It is the same with the candidates.