NWA's proposed list- YGTBSM!
10-22-2008, 06:12 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Rumor on the street is that the new Delta APA is going to consider the shifting of ER flying to some of NWAs bases. Since that flying will need to come from other bases, some will probably be from the JFK base which bids junior and go to Seattle which bids/will bid senior. That being said, the new hires will lose their International widebody flying and probably end up in an 88, just like our new hires who are in DC9s(same type).
Boil it all down and it shows there should not be a 500 pilot staple job.
Boil it all down and it shows there should not be a 500 pilot staple job.
10-22-2008, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Rumor on the street is that the new Delta APA is going to consider the shifting of ER flying to some of NWAs bases. Since that flying will need to come from other bases, some will probably be from the JFK base which bids junior and go to Seattle which bids/will bid senior. That being said, the new hires will lose their International widebody flying and probably end up in an 88, just like our new hires who are in DC9s(same type).
Boil it all down and it shows there should not be a 500 pilot staple job.
Boil it all down and it shows there should not be a 500 pilot staple job.
Last edited by Hawaii50; 10-22-2008 at 09:42 AM.
10-22-2008, 07:11 AM
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[quote=Superpilot92;483359] NWA pilot list is around 54 years old! Based on numbers alone, not counting growth or status quo, i was set to be over 55% up the list in the next 10-12 years. SO in that period of time i would be a lot higher up the list at that point than a DAL pilot hired around the same time i was. That DAL guy may be on a widebody FO seat now but thats where he will sit for a long time. We have a "crystal ball" or seniority forecaster on the alpa website that shows where you are scheduled to be and when. Mine showed me being 45% on the list in 10-12 years. I was set to be in roughly the top 1/3 of the list for the last 25 years of my career retiring at number 3. A DAL newhire around my hire date isnt looking at that. Not that this is about ME but those are the things that i have personally looked at. Every stage of the NWA list would get reamed with the DAL proposed list so yes it is considered an extreme from our side of the fence. I am young enough to end up fine either way but the majority of the NWA list isnt. quote]
Super, yes a young DAL newhire (2007) is looking at your seniority #'s, just set back by a couple of years. By 2025 they would be looking at being 38%, by 2030 at 16%, by 2035 at .3% etc. So you get your retirements "earlier" we get them a bit "later". RELATIVELY it's pretty much the same...
Super, yes a young DAL newhire (2007) is looking at your seniority #'s, just set back by a couple of years. By 2025 they would be looking at being 38%, by 2030 at 16%, by 2035 at .3% etc. So you get your retirements "earlier" we get them a bit "later". RELATIVELY it's pretty much the same...
10-22-2008, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by varkdriver
newKnow and Superpilot92
We get the message...loud and clear...Super, you've done a wonderful job getting your message out, but honestly, let's get the final list officially published...then we can all hopefully be pi$&ing and moaning about how we got screwed in the merger.
You are right about one thing too...we were and are two solvent, money making (some of the times) strong carriers with strengths that will hopefully magnify once joined.
Safe flying yall.
We get the message...loud and clear...Super, you've done a wonderful job getting your message out, but honestly, let's get the final list officially published...then we can all hopefully be pi$&ing and moaning about how we got screwed in the merger.
You are right about one thing too...we were and are two solvent, money making (some of the times) strong carriers with strengths that will hopefully magnify once joined.
Safe flying yall.
Originally Posted by Selcall
To Super and Know,
Thank you for your posts. They are very informative and have not fallen on deaf ears.
When all this is said and done and we have one list I hope that both sides can get over their respective Kool Aid hangover's as quickly as possible. ....Cheers.
Thank you for your posts. They are very informative and have not fallen on deaf ears.
When all this is said and done and we have one list I hope that both sides can get over their respective Kool Aid hangover's as quickly as possible. ....Cheers.
Thanks for listening. I look forward to flying with you guys. Sellcall checks ok.
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10-22-2008, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
How would it be damaging to your side? The DAL proposed list has been "out" for a while now. I think both sides list proposals should be seen by all so everyone will feel better about the final product once it can be compared to the other sides initial "proposal".
10-22-2008, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
Super, yes a young DAL newhire (2007) is looking at your seniority #'s, just set back by a couple of years. By 2025 they would be looking at being 38%, by 2030 at 16%, by 2035 at .3% etc. So you get your retirements "earlier" we get them a bit "later". RELATIVELY it's pretty much the same...
In the long run it will all work out I am sure.
10-22-2008, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Sailing,
I'd have to go back and look, but I think ACL said that it had also been on the DALPA site too?
Not trying to start a fight, I see your concerns.
Ferd
I'd have to go back and look, but I think ACL said that it had also been on the DALPA site too?
Not trying to start a fight, I see your concerns.
Ferd
10-22-2008, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Cogf16
What is "overall seniority" when you are going to a NEW airline? It doesn't really matter what your DOH at NWA is, that airline is/will be gone. What matters, imho, is relative position, and I think our proposal, in its final iteration, will protect relative position within a few % points. Remember your relative % at NWA, when put at the new Delta, will be more "valuable" in our heavy intl/widebody fleet. I think you guys just need to get over the NW date of hire, that is gone
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