NWA's proposed list- YGTBSM!
10-22-2008, 03:39 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
It will be more interesting to see what happens when DL moves the 747 to ATL and all the more senior greenbook guys displace the junior redbook guys. Think we can get another grievence out of it?
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10-23-2008, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Cogf16
What is "overall seniority" when you are going to a NEW airline? It doesn't really matter what your DOH at NWA is, that airline is/will be gone. What matters, imho, is relative position, and I think our proposal, in its final iteration, will protect relative position within a few % points. Remember your relative % at NWA, when put at the new Delta, will be more "valuable" in our heavy intl/widebody fleet. I think you guys just need to get over the NW date of hire, that is gone
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10-23-2008, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
Will the opposite be true as well? Less "vaulable" in the domestic market for those that don't get all excited about international flying?
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10-23-2008, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
maybe I'm taking what you are saying the wrong way but explain why it wouldn't be.
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10-24-2008, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
No grievance could come of it. That is exactly what will happen with a base change on the 747-400. Almost every single Captain will be displaced. End of story.
Carl
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Unless there is a "plug'n'chug" LOA.
It's something you make the company pay dearly for, but the DAL proposal gives it away for free.
Nu
10-24-2008, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
No grievance could come of it. That is exactly what will happen with a base change on the 747-400. Almost every single Captain will be displaced. End of story.
Carl
Carl
Unless there is a "plug'n'chug" LOA.
It's something you make the company pay dearly for, but the DAL proposal gives it away for free.
Nu
If so, I think that's crazy, and I'm glad "the DAL proposal gives it away for free". If I misunderstand your point, I apologize in advance.
PG
10-24-2008, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
What are you talking about? Are you saying that if 767ER time moves from NYC to SEA, for example, that the NYC 767ER F/O's currently flying it should have super seniority for bidding purposes, over everyone else?
If so, I think that's crazy, and I'm glad "the DAL proposal gives it away for free". If I misunderstand your point, I apologize in advance.
PG
If so, I think that's crazy, and I'm glad "the DAL proposal gives it away for free". If I misunderstand your point, I apologize in advance.
PG
That is exactly what I'm saying. Say DAL wants to move all the CVG 767s to SEA, wholesale.
ALPA cuts a deal that allows the company to move the entire CVG 767 base to SEA without a re-bid. Saves the company a ton in training and administrative expenses.
With that said, and whether you think it's cool or not, it saved the company a pile of money AND aborgates seniority/contract in the process.
It's worth something to the company, and you extract contract gains for them to do so. Not to do so is stupid.
Nu
10-24-2008, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
PG,
That is exactly what I'm saying. Say DAL wants to move all the CVG 767s to SEA, wholesale.
ALPA cuts a deal that allows the company to move the entire CVG 767 base to SEA without a re-bid. Saves the company a ton in training and administrative expenses.
With that said, and whether you think it's cool or not, it saved the company a pile of money AND aborgates seniority/contract in the process.
It's worth something to the company, and you extract contract gains for them to do so. Not to do so is stupid.
Nu
That is exactly what I'm saying. Say DAL wants to move all the CVG 767s to SEA, wholesale.
ALPA cuts a deal that allows the company to move the entire CVG 767 base to SEA without a re-bid. Saves the company a ton in training and administrative expenses.
With that said, and whether you think it's cool or not, it saved the company a pile of money AND aborgates seniority/contract in the process.
It's worth something to the company, and you extract contract gains for them to do so. Not to do so is stupid.
Nu
To do that, is stupid. No thanks.
PG
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