20 October SLI transcript
10-22-2008, 06:15 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Who cares if its 1 or if its 12? Were talking about merging 12,000 pilots and Delta wants to staple 500 of our boys to the bottom any way.
Relax, it's just a zinger, and in the end, most likely neither one will happen, so save the angst for the final list. Then we can all gripe about the same thing.
10-22-2008, 06:41 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Scoop,
You are right. It really doesn't matter. But, if NWA "hired" these pilots and gave them class dates, then subsequently required them to stay at Mesaba, those pilots have a legitimate claim to be included on the NWA seniority list, just as if they had been in class and completed training.
Even if you don't feel that they are "real" NWA pilots, what do you think the alternative is? You have 8-12 Mesaba pilots who are hired at NWA, but thru no fault of their own are required to stay at Mesaba. Either NWA ALPA can:
1. Give them their rightful places on the seniority list and explain it to the arbitrators, or;
2. Leave them off the seniority list and get sued -- big time.
Also, if you were one of the 8-12 Mesaba pilots, what would you want them to do?
Not so awkward when you think of it like that, is it?
New K Now
You are right. It really doesn't matter. But, if NWA "hired" these pilots and gave them class dates, then subsequently required them to stay at Mesaba, those pilots have a legitimate claim to be included on the NWA seniority list, just as if they had been in class and completed training.
Even if you don't feel that they are "real" NWA pilots, what do you think the alternative is? You have 8-12 Mesaba pilots who are hired at NWA, but thru no fault of their own are required to stay at Mesaba. Either NWA ALPA can:
1. Give them their rightful places on the seniority list and explain it to the arbitrators, or;
2. Leave them off the seniority list and get sued -- big time.
Also, if you were one of the 8-12 Mesaba pilots, what would you want them to do?
Not so awkward when you think of it like that, is it?
New K Now
In the end these guys will be taken care of and on our combined list, as they should be. My opinion is that the lawyers are trying to make points with the arbitrators, and pilots on your list that have not been to training yet does get your attention. DAL currently has no flow-through agreement and this is just one on many areas in which we have a cultural difference and will have to learn from the other side.
Scoop
10-22-2008, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by beer
I am talking about the early retirement, lump sum payment. And yes "Beer" is a delta pilot and look forward to working with you
Originally Posted by Scoop
New,
In the end these guys will be taken care of and on our combined list, as they should be. My opinion is that the lawyers are trying to make points with the arbitrators, and pilots on your list that have not been to training yet does get your attention. DAL currently has no flow-through agreement and this is just one on many areas in which we have a cultural difference and will have to learn from the other side.
Scoop
In the end these guys will be taken care of and on our combined list, as they should be. My opinion is that the lawyers are trying to make points with the arbitrators, and pilots on your list that have not been to training yet does get your attention. DAL currently has no flow-through agreement and this is just one on many areas in which we have a cultural difference and will have to learn from the other side.
Scoop
I think it's time to realize that all of this is like what Michael said in the Godfather, "it's not personal, it's just business." I promise to try not to take it personal.
New K Now
10-22-2008, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
This is going to be funny. Our lawyer(s) are very good. Thanks for pointing that out.
10-22-2008, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by B7ER Guy
Your lawywers might be good, but your witnesses, including your MEC chair are an embarressment to your pilot group.
10-22-2008, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Like any of us non-professional witnesses could look good against an experienced lawyer who does cross examinations for a living. I actually thought they did about as good as your guys.
I'm not trying to split hairs with you, but Stevens' replies to the cross exam was the best "John Kerry" double talk that I've heard since the 2004 presidential election.
Frats.
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10-22-2008, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by B7ER Guy
Ferd:
I'm not trying to split hairs with you, but Stevens' replies to the cross exam was the best "John Kerry" double talk that I've heard since the 2004 presidential election.
Frats.
7ER guy
I'm not trying to split hairs with you, but Stevens' replies to the cross exam was the best "John Kerry" double talk that I've heard since the 2004 presidential election.
Frats.
7ER guy
Just forgive me if I don't trust your recommendations in movies either.
Ferd
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