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Old 11-05-2008, 05:51 PM
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So here I am in Dakar lounging on couch doing my Jep revisions for my 4 binders of stuff and I get to thinking about those poor NW bubbas. They will have to convert all their books to the Delta issue. I can only imagine what their international books will look like it. If I have to carry Hawaii and Alaska and all points in between as well as Europe, Central and South America, the Carribean, and Africa/Middle East, just think what those poor whales and 330 guys will have to carry. Welcome to Delta boys, Destroy Every Living Tree Around! Hopefully you guys can bring some more clout for the EFB movement!
EFB's are part of the avionics package on the 787. This requires the airline to build the EFB infrastructure to manage the EFB portion of the 787 avionics. Since the infrastructure is the vast majority of the cost of an EFB system, and the EFB infrastructure must be built if you want to operate a 787, I think this tips the balance. It will now make it cost effective to have EFB's in all aircraft once/if the 787 is delivered to the new Delta.

Just my opinion, but I bet it happens within a year or two.

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Old 11-06-2008, 05:48 AM
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Sheeeeet - you didn't do them at cruise? Please tell me that you guys don't consider doing revisions non-essential FD duties and prohibit it.....
I've never heard that, I guess some people have better things to do with their time in cruise. Me, I make sure to bid at least one transcon a month to get 'em done.
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Old 11-06-2008, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler View Post
EFB's are part of the avionics package on the 787. This requires the airline to build the EFB infrastructure to manage the EFB portion of the 787 avionics. Since the infrastructure is the vast majority of the cost of an EFB system, and the EFB infrastructure must be built if you want to operate a 787, I think this tips the balance. It will now make it cost effective to have EFB's in all aircraft once/if the 787 is delivered to the new Delta.

Just my opinion, but I bet it happens within a year or two.

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I would love to believe you, but this is DAL you're talking about. Let's just say that DAL will never be accused of being technological trend-setters...though it is better than it used to be.

As for EFBs, I will believe it when I see it. We just got the ability to upload route and wind information into the FMS--and that is just for specific transatlantic flights! My understanding is other airlines have been doing this for years.

Another story I have heard is that DAL is also the airline that insisted that Boeing put an antiskid switch on the 757 (newer ones don't have them) even though Boeing insisted there was no need for it because there was never a situation where you would deselect it, so why have the switch? Delta insisted anyway. Why? Because "that's how the 727 does it."

Still, DAL is a great place. Sometimes I shake my head, though. (Of course, I hear at NWA you still manually write trip pickup requests on pieces of paper that the midnight scheduling shift in MSP processes....? True? It's all computerized at DAL and has been for many years.)
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Old 11-06-2008, 06:16 AM
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I would love to believe you, but this is DAL you're talking about. Let's just say that DAL will never be accused of being technological trend-setters...though it is better than it used to be.

As for EFBs, I will believe it when I see it. We just got the ability to upload route and wind information into the FMS--and that is just for specific transatlantic flights! My understanding is other airlines have been doing this for years.

Another story I have heard is that DAL is also the airline that insisted that Boeing put an antiskid switch on the 757 (newer ones don't have them) even though Boeing insisted there was no need for it because there was never a situation where you would deselect it, so why have the switch? Delta insisted anyway. Why? Because "that's how the 727 does it."

Still, DAL is a great place. Sometimes I shake my head, though. (Of course, I hear at NWA you still manually write trip pickup requests on pieces of paper that the midnight scheduling shift in MSP processes....? True? It's all computerized at DAL and has been for many years.)
True story about the switch. It was known as the million dollar switch as that's how much it roughly costs apparently to put in the airplanes.
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Old 11-06-2008, 06:37 AM
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True story about the switch. It was known as the million dollar switch as that's how much it roughly costs apparently to put in the airplanes.
And yet they wouldn't put a really important and useful switch on the airplanes; We really need a temperature control in the cabin for the FAs. It doesn't have to be hooked up to anything (like the antiskid switch), but they wouldn't know, and they wouldn't bother us as much

It's a joke!
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Old 11-06-2008, 07:56 AM
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(Of course, I hear at NWA you still manually write trip pickup requests on pieces of paper that the midnight scheduling shift in MSP processes....? True? It's all computerized at DAL and has been for many years.)
Umm.....No. We have been submitting schedule adjustment requests(trip trades, pickups, drops etc) via computer for many years. Booking jumpseats online too! The trip trade requests ARE processed each midnight in MSP though, as you said.
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Old 11-06-2008, 08:06 AM
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And yet they wouldn't put a really important and useful switch on the airplanes; We really need a temperature control in the cabin for the FAs. It doesn't have to be hooked up to anything (like the antiskid switch), but they wouldn't know, and they wouldn't bother us as much

It's a joke!
I'm all for that. Pilots could donate the funds known collectively as "Delta Spirit Part Deux - Pilots Care" and all aircraft could be 'upgraded'. Next they will fight amongst themselves as to which girl does a better job doing temp control. Over time, this campaign will be known as Pilots Really Care or PRC (pronounced PRICK). Brilliant Tsquare. The New Delta Spirit begins today!
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:38 AM
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True story about the switch. It was known as the million dollar switch as that's how much it roughly costs apparently to put in the airplanes.
LOL...word has it that NWA 727s had no taxi light because Nyrop wanted to use the same towbars that worked with the 707.

NWA = Squeezing a nickel so hard you get 7 pennies.

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Old 11-06-2008, 12:56 PM
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Sheeeeet - you didn't do them at cruise? Please tell me that you guys don't consider doing revisions non-essential FD duties and prohibit it.....
Never put anything in print that can get you in trouble!
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Old 11-08-2008, 02:43 PM
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I don't do that type of stuff in cruise because all the paper shuffling wakes up the Captain.
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