NWA SLI Shenanigans
11-20-2008 | 06:37 AM
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NWA SLI Shenanigans
Check out 16 Nov transcripts page 2474 thru about 2492. Its a detailed discussion of NWA's contention that 68% of age 60 pilots retired at or near 60 after the rule was changed to 65 last December. Many troubling revelations come to light. Many examples of already retired guys being counted, younger guys retired under the perp program being counted, and guys still on the list today being counted! Very disturbing. Please read for yourself.
11-20-2008 | 06:52 AM
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Some of this stuff may have been inadvertent. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. No sense being "disturbed". These merger committees will be dissolved soon and the MECs will combine and we're gonna be one happy family. (hopefully)
Either way, the DAL guys caught it in time. The result is going to be extra scrutiny of the lists on both sides. That's a good thing. We want a clean list as the end product that everyone will have confidence in.
Either way, the DAL guys caught it in time. The result is going to be extra scrutiny of the lists on both sides. That's a good thing. We want a clean list as the end product that everyone will have confidence in.
11-20-2008 | 06:59 AM
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Cog,
Yeah that is very interesting!! Sounds like the DL guys asked repeatedly for the information over quite awhile and still couldn't get a straight answer.
Maybe this is just my natural paranoia (or glass half empty
) showing thru, but I wonder if anything else like this was missed.
Denny
Yeah that is very interesting!! Sounds like the DL guys asked repeatedly for the information over quite awhile and still couldn't get a straight answer.
Maybe this is just my natural paranoia (or glass half empty
) showing thru, but I wonder if anything else like this was missed.Denny
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11-20-2008 | 08:11 AM
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Don't know for sure, but I'm sure the info is only as good as what we get from the company.......and most of them are probably writing resumes.
But, then again your right............we're slime.
KMA
But, then again your right............we're slime.
KMA
11-20-2008 | 08:30 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
The Delta pilots seem to know more about who is on the NWA list than the NWA pilots do, how can that be?
I'm wondering if Bloch does his "pull out-put in" and happens to grab a couple of NWA's deceased, retired, retired / disabled, or otherwise absentee phantom Captains, is NWA going to complain?
I'm wondering if Bloch does his "pull out-put in" and happens to grab a couple of NWA's deceased, retired, retired / disabled, or otherwise absentee phantom Captains, is NWA going to complain?
11-20-2008 | 08:35 AM
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The Delta pilots seem to know more about who is on the NWA list than the NWA pilots do, how can that be?
I'm wondering if Bloch does his "pull out-put in" and happens to grab a couple of NWA's deceased, retired, retired / disabled, or otherwise absentee phantom Captains, is NWA going to complain?
I'm wondering if Bloch does his "pull out-put in" and happens to grab a couple of NWA's deceased, retired, retired / disabled, or otherwise absentee phantom Captains, is NWA going to complain?
This is really dumb. It's a leagal proceeding, if you think we would be crazy and try and mislead the board, you guys are........anyway, I'm outta here.
Disgusted,
Ferd
11-20-2008 | 08:52 AM
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Ferd,
No disrespect intended and if you feel so, then I apologize. But, if you have read the transcripts, what other conclusions can we infer from this? Doesn't the union keep track of this stuff separately from the company to keep them honest.
I know I'm predjudiced and look at these issues with a definate slant, as most of us do. I try to keep an open mind but, from reading the transcripts, on the surface it does look incriminating to me. Please enlighten me and I mean no disrespect. You seem like a very level headed individual and I value your opinion and am looking forward to the Saipan tour!!!!
Denny
No disrespect intended and if you feel so, then I apologize. But, if you have read the transcripts, what other conclusions can we infer from this? Doesn't the union keep track of this stuff separately from the company to keep them honest.
I know I'm predjudiced and look at these issues with a definate slant, as most of us do. I try to keep an open mind but, from reading the transcripts, on the surface it does look incriminating to me. Please enlighten me and I mean no disrespect. You seem like a very level headed individual and I value your opinion and am looking forward to the Saipan tour!!!!
Denny
11-20-2008 | 09:02 AM
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I agree with Ferd on this one.I think it's counter productive to portray our fellow pilots as somehow being dishonest.I'm sure to some reading a bunch of lawyer drivel is entertaining,as for me I'd rather be drinking.Remember this is a bunch of lawyers talking,they all lie
11-20-2008 | 09:03 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Sorry to offend anyone. The integrity of the process is built on the integrity of the data. This is particularly true since NWA is arguing for a slotted system where mistakes in their data only benefit NWA.
I do not know why NWA showed up with bad data and why Delta was able to determine it was bad data. It would just seem that NWA would have better intel than anyone else. It is not a characterization of anyone, we don't know why they screwed up, but we know who it benefits.
Be offended if you want, but considering the effect that even one bad entry on a slotted, or dynamic list, has on the other 7,000 pilots who are not slotted, it is a big deal.
Worse, I think Bloch is buying off on a form of a slotted system. That seems to be what he indicated with several of his statements.
I do not know why NWA showed up with bad data and why Delta was able to determine it was bad data. It would just seem that NWA would have better intel than anyone else. It is not a characterization of anyone, we don't know why they screwed up, but we know who it benefits.
Be offended if you want, but considering the effect that even one bad entry on a slotted, or dynamic list, has on the other 7,000 pilots who are not slotted, it is a big deal.
Worse, I think Bloch is buying off on a form of a slotted system. That seems to be what he indicated with several of his statements.
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