newKnow

Ok. That is a little better. But, like you said, not great. Only because it would seem like such a wast for them to displace you because of a surplus then recall you within 180 days. Recall rights make more sense for the pilot and the company because of the reduced training cost and reduced studying required for those of us who need to save as many brain cells as possible.

NuGuy

Heyas,

OK, I'm going to try to move this thread back to it's title:

Some of us are trying to figure out the new contract (DAL PWA + LOA 19 + JPWA, and any ammendments...ugh).

So, whats the deal with CQ? I see that it's pay, no credit in the contract.

At NWA, any training due (along with any other absences...vacation, mil leave, etc) shows up on what we call the "bid list" or "bid deadline" (a name which stems from when we used to call in individually, one at a time, during a 5 minute window to place our bids...LONG story with that).

Anyway, this absence information also shows up in ATLASBid (equivalent to ClassBid). During bidding, you may "claim" credit for CQ, thus making it "pay and credit", and it goes towards your monthly credit window.

Can the DAL guys do the same? Whats the procedure for bidding CQ?

Thx!

Nu

newKnow

If you are serious, that is one part of the DAL contract that does not measure up to the old NWA contract. That could make for a long month. I always take the credit.

Denny Crane

When class is updated just before the bid window, it picks the training off your schedule and applies it to the window of hours that your category has for the bid month. You are then awarded trips that will bring you into the window including the training hours. After the award and the schedules are released, the pay becomes pay and no credit for the training on your time card. If you wanted, this might allow you to pick up more time for the month. At least this is the way I believe it works!!!

Denny

Nosmo King

That is almost correct.

Your NW recall rights last forever, unless:

1. You remove that position from your preference card

OR

2. You are awarded a position that is higher on your preference card than the cone you were displaced from.

OR

3. You move the position to a lower spot on your preference card than the position you are currently flying.

OR

4. The position no longer exists. (Closed base or realigned base)

Nosmo King

So, pay and credit for purposes of monthly bidding, but once the month starts it is pay only?

Bucking Bar

Did something change? I thought "reinstatement" to a position you were displaced from only lasts 180 days.

BlaineFaban

Pretty much. It actually is for bidding only. You can start messing with your schedule once the 18th of the previous month arrives. At that point, it becomes pay, no credit.

If you want to get technical, it is never pay and credit. It only is looked at as credit by the PBS bid award process in calculating the time to construct you initial line of time.

Ferd149

Denny,

Are you then obligated to pick up time to get you into some sort of "minimum window"? IE, I always take training for "pay and credit" and just fly a shorter month (I obsess enough over the training). CB defalts to "pay no credit" and I did that one month, 4 commutes etc etc.

Thanks,
Ferd

tsquare

Problem is.. .that we coulda/shoulda written them when negotiating the joint contract. I know, I know what the politicos are gonna say, and that is that EVERYTHING has a cost, and I do not dispute that. But the window of opportunity is now closed, and we will have to fight management tooth and nail to get these kinds of things written back into the contract. I for one think this wil lbe like a decent reserve system in that we won't see it in our lifetimes.