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Old 06-18-2010, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
If the infants are negotiating the contract for all, can't the westies just return the favor and use their majority to block any contract littered with Easty favored provisions ?

If the Easties in control then ratify something solely by themselves (MEC), I would think the westies can get an injunction or something to stop its implimentation and then any suit would be "ripe".

The status quo is better then intensifying the 9/11 style hijacking of U by the terrorists from the east.
Kick out the original USAirways employees seems match your theme in your dealings with AA, Mr. eagle pilot.

Your post about how to kick out the original AA pilots and employees is below. Those pesky senior pilots are keeping you from an airplane bathroom you can stand up in and you think you found a way out.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...tml#post778512
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Old 06-19-2010, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by all4114all View Post
Kick out the original USAirways employees seems match your theme in your dealings with AA, Mr. eagle pilot.

Your post about how to kick out the original AA pilots and employees is below. Those pesky senior pilots are keeping you from an airplane bathroom you can stand up in and you think you found a way out.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...tml#post778512
DEAD WRONG.

That post is my assessment of what AMR would do, not what eaglefly desires (I even state that "I wish things were different" in the last paragraph). Considering the current philosophy of the APA that offers no real solutions for AMR, it still stands and that's what I believe AMR will have to do and the probable outcome if no more workable plan is agreed to. If I were Parker, I'd treat the easties holding my corporation hostage no differently.

That being said, at least I STAND BEHIND what I say, which is more then the original East pilots ever did. You agreed to a binding process for dispute resolution and those honorable stand behind what they say and/or agree to, no matter how it comes out and when it didn't come out to your liking, you demonstrated your true integrity.

Again, if I were Parker, I'd simply clean the east side of my house of its ills and redecorate................it's the only way the house will be sold intact.
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Old 06-19-2010, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope View Post
Good idea Pineapple, I will join you.
Pineapplle/Gomerglideslope-

Do either of you work there?

This is a property dispute. I suggest you folks not cross that line unless you work there.
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Old 06-19-2010, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy View Post
Thanks for the reminder, all411. I am a DAL pilot, but I had been meaning to contribute to their cause. You just provided the impetus for me to do that.

For anyone else out there wishing to do so, it takes 30 seconds of your time. Click here:
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It's the right thing to do.

I see you are DAL. Why are you crossing the line with another properties dispute?

No BS just tell us why you feel you have the right to enter another properties dispute?
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Old 06-19-2010, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GW258 View Post
I see you are DAL. Why are you crossing the line with another properties dispute?

No BS just tell us why you feel you have the right to enter another properties dispute?
I don't know what their reasons are, but I think the US Airways situation impacts anyone who is represented by a union. If a group is allowed to weasel out of agreed-to binding arbitration, then binding arbitration will become nearly meaningless.

Then we all can look forward to the mudslinging and suing that you guys have been doing to each other for the last two years. I'd much prefer that binding arbitration remains...binding.
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Old 06-19-2010, 06:35 PM
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I don't know what their reasons are, but I think the US Airways situation impacts anyone who is represented by a union. If a group is allowed to weasel out of agreed-to binding arbitration, then binding arbitration will become nearly meaningless.

Then we all can look forward to the mudslinging and suing that you guys have been doing to each other for the last two years. I'd much prefer that binding arbitration remains...binding.
Death and taxes. ALPA, nice try using an 85 year old arbitrator fired by Major League Baseball, along with United and Continental pilots that you considered pilot "neutrals".

Then your committee to investigate this was the Rice Committee. As in VP of ALPA United pilot Paul Rice. You know the "neutral" pilot from United overseeing a dispute with USAirways, the airline at the time they were in serious merger discussions with.

Nice try. ALPA was FIRED as a Union. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals looked into a DFR suit against the new USAirways pilots union regarding this and their findings were,

CASE DISMISSED!

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Old 06-19-2010, 07:31 PM
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Just get rid of the problem, sell off the west...problem solved
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Old 06-19-2010, 10:57 PM
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Funny thing - Nicolau was chosen by the East negotiators, the West did not object. The East was fawning all over Nicolau when he ruled in the Trump Shuttle - US Air seniority list arbitration.

You just sound pathetic when you make up obvious BS.

Good news. In seven years over half of you will be gone. Sanity will have a chance at being restored, assuming, of course, that the East has not imploded by that time and taken us all down with them.
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Old 06-19-2010, 11:03 PM
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Just get rid of the problem, sell off the west...problem solved
Better yet, go back in time 5 years ago and let the corpse of US Airways rot away in liqidation.

Actually, it would be great if the West was indeed split off. We could go back to being profitable and growing again. Oh, by the way, all those shiny new jets that you have taken delivery of in the last few years? They were all America West orders. US Airways was shedding jets, not ordering them. AWA had firm orders for over 50 Airbus jets, including the A350, long before the merger. US Airways could not have made payroll in June of 2005 without the infusion of cash from AWA Holdings. But, as usual, I am wasting my time speaking to the deaf. So long, all.
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Old 06-20-2010, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by GW258 View Post
I see you are DAL. Why are you crossing the line with another properties dispute?

No BS just tell us why you feel you have the right to enter another properties dispute?
Because this cancer potentially spreads and infects us all. If the East gets their way, and ends up throwing out a binding arbitration that they had previously agreed to, the long established and, heretofore accepted rules, for seniority list integrations are out the window. This puts the entire industry into chaos, as the UAL/CAL deal could go the same route, if either group doesn't get their way.

And that impacts ME, hence it is in MY best interest to see the West win, and I have a constitutional right to spend my money the way I want to.
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