It is just short of the numbers that were rumored at the beginning of the program: 10% of each United class.

Just wait till United dips into the 5 year captains with the next round of CJO’s. Pilots here will start getting excited then.

Given who was hired, I need to go on a diet and get back into shape and grow about another 6 inches taller, or change genders.

All great people who definitely deserve it. Really happy for them.

Maybe you'll need to change your ethnicity as well?

It looks like the crackdown at CATII has come. Do it right with an observer or be pulled off the line for additional training.

Just heard ExpressJet is sending 40 in the next United class and Mesa is sending 0 (zero) through their respective CPP programs.

Where did you hear that? That doesn’t sound right.

The United CPP isn't working very well for us. Out of the last 40 selected Hogan etc., 5 made it past the interview. Not sure how many of them have good enough background to go on to United. No one should be coming to Mesa if they think the CPP is going to get them to United.

No. More like 8 to 10

I heard the 40 from an Xjet Captain (and I know they can lie or just be spreading a rumor) and I heard the 0 from Mesa pilots who just went through the latest round.

I don’t know about 40, but I know United is running 2 classes in January and 3 classes in February, so a large number of XJT should be going over the next 2 months.

It probably got confused/conflated to mean that roughly 40 will go in TOTAL in the 5 planned classes.

They've been taking about 20 per month from XJT.

That may accelerate and be more in line with CommutAir’s percentage of pilots.

Doubt it. The rate we are losing people is already crippling XJT. If UAL owns it, they have a vested interest in NOT draining the staffing levels until they can attract new talent. As of now, that attraction is not there.

If UAL owns Xjet, they have a vested interest in making Xjet a viable regional and able to recruit new hires —— without being unfair to CommutAir pilots. They have the greater vested interested in a constant stream of pilots to the mothership.

CommutAir Pilots will pick up the slack on the E145 than Xjet is able to do.

How far down into the seniority list is the CPP going at Xjet?

2007 hires will be going over the next couple of months. After them, 2011 hires will be going. There’s a gap between 2007 and 2011 on our seniority list when there was essentially no hiring.

I truly expect XJT to have the fastest CPP route to United with in the next 6 months.

Given the CommutAir is the same ownership model as Xjet is headed toward, I would expect it to improve. I am not sure you will get to 2 years and change in 6 months but I expect it to improve as well.

Let’s see who loses the 700’s and whether any of Mesa’a CPA’s are renewed. So far, I have done pretty good with predictions. I didn’t think United would give the CPP to Mesa just to screw them over, but who really knows. I expect United will have to roll out retention bonuses for those flying the 700 soon.

He gets the 2 years from the fact that the CPP hasn’t been live at Xjet that long. I took the hogan 5/16, finally got an interview in 1/18 and I should be in new hire by 3/19. I am a 8/07 hire date. By May we will have 2011 hire dates heading over. Barely in the CPP for 2 years.

We have been in the CPP for 3 months and our seniority is down to 4 years. CommutAir has been in it just a little longer and their doh at CommutAir to doh at United is just over 2 and 1/2 years.

So, I can understand his point but new hires will look at how long if we go to Xjet before we are at United.

[QUOTE=calmwinds;2727579]We have been in the CPP for 3 months and our seniority is down to 4 years. CommutAir has been in it just a little longer and their doh at CommutAir to doh at United is just over 2 and 1/2 years.

So, I can understand his point but new hires will look at how long if we go to Xjet before we are at United.[/QUOT]


How much hiring did UA do when the CPP was announced at Xjet? Little to none.

How senior is the Xjet pilot group compared Mesa/Commutair? I can tell you extremely. The latter 2 mentioned are historical bottom feeders.

Xjet has the largest % of newhire classes at UA, 25%. My last FO was nervous he wouldn’t meet the hour requirements till next fall/winter and he is 250 on the list. I believe he was a 15/16 hire.

Curious. Is one of the new Expressjet owners former Mesa??

[QUOTE=flynd94;2727620]So you’re saying that going forward Xjet will have the highest numbers of pilots in the cpp?

[QUOTE=Aviatormar;2728664]That has always been the case. ExpressJet has fulfilled 25% of United’s new hire classes. The fastest CPP is CommutAir, also controlled by United.

Any updates from anyone? I’ve only heard of one more person from IAD getting a yes. Any more from IAH? In other threads, I think Expressjet some changes are being made to the program.

[QUOTE=calmwinds;2728684]What a bull**** #.25%🤡


11 guys left for United this past month at Mesa.

[QUOTE=Yankee7;2861963]That’s a solid number must be all IAH

[QUOTE=NovemberBravo;2861973]I know one IAD who was declined - but I'm telling you it was clearly age. And it's sad.

There is definitely age discrimination going on at the airlines. Easy to deny and mask it with other excuses. It ain't fair, it sucks.

How old?

Filler

Low 50s.....

Lol I call BS. “Low 50’s” Pilot’s are hired all the time by the legacies.

That would be my age.

It’s not like I’m counting on getting hired by a major anyway. I’d be happy with an LCC or good cargo outfit.

Keep in mind we had 3 instructors get hired 2 APD and I PCcheckpilot. One was in their early 60’s?..

Work sick if you have to..You lost money rather than flying while less than 100%. And that’s why you want qualify.. Get to work..lol

Older you get, the harder it is to learn. There is reluctance or resistance to hire an older pilot, even if they still do it. This is fact.

The training centers at every legacy are full of old guys who can finally hold a widebody. They do just fine. Any reluctance to hire because of age would be because the airline wouldn’t have as many years to benefit from the pilot’s labor and to recover training cost. From the instructors that I’ve talked to, there seems to be more problems during training associated with young pilots attitudes than old pilots ability.

You are missing a piece of the puzzle here. An older guy who'se spent the last 20 years flying a Boeing or Airbus, getting upgrade training on a Boeing or Airbus, maybe even the same equipment isn't learning something brand new. Switching from Boeing speak to Airbus speak is a consideration that most older pilots think about long and hard before placing that bid.
You take some one who is in their late 50's that has been flying CRJ's for the last 20 years and throw them into a Boeing for the first time are going to have issues and probably require a couple more sims.
Ultimately it is the training environment/atmosphere that allows for success to be attained.

If you can’t learn a Boeing, you shouldn’t be in any airplane. Flying for a regional is the hardest that a pilot will most likely ever work. Going to a legacy and learning Boeing or Airbus speak just isn’t that hard at any age. That pilot with 20 years on the rj has a ton of experience to know what matters, and what doesn’t. They do just fine.

..I disagree..Having done this move myself, and watched a few of my senior colleaques fail their training, I can tell you from experience that it is not so easy..20+ years on the CRJ is not going to help you much, when learning to fly an airplane that´s built a half a century ago..Boeing is a completely different beast, especially the earlier ones..

..Age and experience usually helps you in aviation..Sometimes not..

Fly safe,
B757