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calmwinds 08-23-2018 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2660635)
It's funny watching you think I'm a recruiter. XJT has MANY bad issues right now but it is still by far a great place to work!!

As people who have moved on will tell you, there is nothing about a regional that is a great place to work.

There are good things and bad things about EVERY regional. I only can scratch the surface on Xjet because I only deal with public facts: upgrade times, length of time from doh to interview at United through CPP, net loss of pilots (published in SKW’s quarterly report), loss of bases and flying. I can only hope the best for Xjet for the future.

And, while I want to make Mesa successful and grow, it won’t be the end of the world if it doesn’t. Flying jobs are plentiful, right now. I could always go to CommutAir and be at United in just over 2 years.

domino 08-23-2018 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2660752)
I could always go to CommutAir and be at United in just over 2 years.

LOL. if only everything was guaranteed like your statement

Hou757 08-23-2018 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by domino (Post 2660765)
LOL. if only everything was guaranteed like your statement

Another example of ignorance from breezywinds.

calmwinds 08-23-2018 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by domino (Post 2660765)
LOL. if only everything was guaranteed like your statement

As I said, nothing is guaranteed in this business. We could have another 2001 or 2008 and pilots may be stuck in the regionals for 10 years. However, CommutAir has an actual pilot who has made the leap that quickly.

calmwinds 08-23-2018 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2660786)
Another example of ignorance from breezywinds.

Coming from a Xjet FO recruiter.

Hou757 08-23-2018 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2660793)
Coming from a Xjet FO recruiter.


I think I've told you I'm not a recruiter nor a FO. If I was I sure wouldn't hide the fact. The recruiters at XJT probably have the toughest job at our airline!

calmwinds 08-23-2018 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2660819)
I think I've told you I'm not a recruiter nor a FO. If I was I sure wouldn't hide the fact. The recruiters at XJT probably have the toughest job at our airline!

Only FO recruiters spend time on other regional forums trying to belittle that regional.

Hou757 08-23-2018 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2660828)
Only FO recruiters spend time on other regional forums trying to belittle that regional.


Then that makes you one as well! hmm.

calmwinds 08-23-2018 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2660834)
Then that makes you one as well! hmm.

Well, here is my last post on Xjet’s forum. Basically asking a couple of questions.

“Tough for UA to buy a regional that flies for multiple carriers, isn’t it? When is LASA no longer going to fly for DAL?”

I believe the Fortune article has legs about UAL buying Xjet. Fortune’s newsroom has a good reputation for properly sourcing an article, meaning either Xjet, SGU, or UAL execs. That doesn’t mean they didn’t lie to Fortune. However, UAL is doing everything in its power to help XJet. 20 CRJ200’s and the reported award of the 25 E175SC’s (meaning someone else is losing 25 CRJ700’s) are concrete actions.

Hou757 08-23-2018 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2660849)
Well, here is my last post on Xjet’s forum. Basically asking a couple of questions.

“Tough for UA to buy a regional that flies for multiple carriers, isn’t it? When is LASA no longer going to fly for DAL?”

I believe the Fortune article has legs about UAL buying Xjet. Fortune’s newsroom has a good reputation for properly sourcing an article, meaning either Xjet, SGU, or UAL execs. That doesn’t mean they didn’t lie to Fortune. However, UAL is doing everything in its power to help XJet. 20 CRJ200’s and the reported award of the 25 E175SC’s (meaning someone else is losing 25 CRJ700’s) are concrete actions.

You've kind of left out your comments about how pathetic XJT is, how it will be out business in a few years, how it's CPP time will take forever.

calmwinds 08-23-2018 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2660858)
You've kind of left out your comments about how pathetic XJT is, how it will be out business in a few years, how it's CPP time will take forever.

I say that on this forum when you tout the CPP at Xjet here. And, CPP at Xjet does take forever. That is a fact. You deal in psychosis and an alternate reality.

The CPP and upgrade times at Xjet are pathetic. The only thing worse than your CPP is the one promised here at Mesa.

Hou757 08-23-2018 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2660871)
I say that on this forum when you tout the CPP at Xjet here. And, CPP at Xjet does take forever. That is a fact. You deal in psychosis and an alternate reality.

The CPP and upgrade times at Xjet are pathetic. The only thing worse than your CPP is the one promised here at Mesa.




Again, that is totally false! Your lies are out of control junior! I'm beginning to think that you are one of the many Mesa folks we hear on the radio that cant speak English at all. You obviously have quite a comprehension problem!

calmwinds 08-23-2018 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2660876)
Again, that is totally false! Your lies are out of control junior! I'm beginning to think that you are one of the many Mesa folks we hear on the radio that cant speak English at all. You obviously have quite a comprehension problem!

Funny. You do live in an alternate universe. You can’t even tell the truth about your own regional. You truly are an Xjet FO recruiter.

What is the hire date of the last Xjet pilot that went to United via CPP? What is the hire date of the last Xjet FO upgraded to Captain?

Hou757 08-23-2018 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2660884)
Funny. You do live in an alternate universe. You can’t even tell the truth about your own regional. You truly are an Xjet FO recruiter.

What is the hire date of the last Xjet pilot that went to United via CPP? What is the hire date of the last Xjet FO upgraded to Captain?


So junior, tell me how long it will take a new hire at XJT to get to United via the CPP? How many are in the pool?

calmwinds 08-23-2018 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2660895)
So junior, tell me how long it will take a new hire at XJT to get to United via the CPP? How many are in the pool?

I never said I knew that. You don’t answer direct questions. You obsuficate. You mislead. You outright lie. You are a typical FO recruiter.

You don’t really know how long it is going to take a new hire at Xjet to get to United.

United could cancel the program tomorrow. The E175SC which has only been made public at Xjet could all be a lie and those 25 could all be coming to Mesa for all I know. Or, they may be going to GoJet.

Hou757 08-23-2018 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2660902)
I never said I knew that. You don’t answer direct questions. You obsuficate. You mislead. You outright lie. You are a typical FO recruiter.

You don’t really know how long it is going to take a new hire at Xjet to get to United.

United could cancel the program tomorrow. The E175SC which has only been made public at Xjet could all be a lie and those 25 could all be coming to Mesa for all I know. Or, they may be going to GoJet.

So if you don't know how long then why are you saying it's pathetic? I've given you acurate numbers above.

calmwinds 08-23-2018 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2660914)
So if you don't know how long then why are you saying it's pathetic? I've given you acurate numbers above.

Again, you obsuficate.

The upgrade times at Xjet are pathetic. No one, absolutely no one, in the industry has 5 year upgrades. It is pathetic because SGU has basically taken a tact to shut Xjet down.

Actually, the number of Xjet pilots going over to United on the CPP is good - not as good as CommutAir, but a hell of a lot better than Mesa.

No Land 3 08-23-2018 06:14 PM

Flying jobs may be plentiful, but anything better than a 121 regional still requires a lot of hard work to get hired on with. For those that have an easy transition out of the regionals, they are either a tier 1 candidate, or were at the right place at the right time. I was the later, and still feel fortunate about it. A little decision to not go to a local job fair when I did, I'd probably still be at Mesa or out of aviation.

PhantomHawk 08-23-2018 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2661015)
Again, you obsuficate.

If you’re going to use big words in a futile attempt to sound intelligent.....please spell them correctly. Obfuscate.

calmwinds 08-23-2018 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by PhantomHawk (Post 2661136)
If you’re going to use big words in a futile attempt to sound intelligent.....please spell them correctly. Obfuscate.

Auto type gets me every time. Still true.

JuniorFO 08-24-2018 03:51 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2661015)
Again, you obsuficate.

The upgrade times at Xjet are pathetic. No one, absolutely no one, in the industry has 5 year upgrades. It is pathetic because SGU has basically taken a tact to shut Xjet down.

Actually, the number of Xjet pilots going over to United on the CPP is good - not as good as CommutAir, but a hell of a lot better than Mesa.

XJT sends almost triple the percentage to United compared to CommutAir through the CPP.....

calmwinds 08-24-2018 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by JuniorFO (Post 2661195)
XJT sends almost triple the percentage to United compared to CommutAir through the CPP.....

What is the hire date of the latest pilot taken by CPP to United at Xjet, Junior? What a joke by Xjet FO recruiters..... still better than Mesa so far. We have had zero, zilch interviewed. No one should come to Mesa because of CPP until we have had pilots start to move through the program.

20sx 08-24-2018 08:59 AM

On the positive side, Hogan’s are out for cpp qualified at Mesa.

calmwinds 08-24-2018 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by 20sx (Post 2661360)
On the positive side, Hogan’s are out for cpp qualified at Mesa.

That is a positive. How long do we have to wait for a retake if we bomb it?

GoFaster 08-24-2018 11:29 AM

How do we opt-in/enroll/raise our hand for the CPP?

Sennant 08-24-2018 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by GoFaster (Post 2661453)
How do we opt-in/enroll/raise our hand for the CPP?


You have to do it during the open window/enrollment. Comes via company email. Believe they plan to open it twice a year.

calmwinds 08-24-2018 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by Sennant (Post 2661463)
You have to do it during the open window/enrollment. Comes via company email. Believe they plan to open it twice a year.

I think new hires to UAL bases sign up during the Indoc process.

GoFaster 08-24-2018 02:57 PM

Yeah I thought that’s how it worked too but they never gave us the opportunity during Indoc.

P Owed Captain 08-24-2018 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2661139)
Auto type gets me every time. Still true.

Since when does auto-type misspell words?

calmwinds 08-24-2018 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by P Owed Captain (Post 2661610)
Since when does auto-type misspell words?

The other spelling popped up as I typed the word. No clue.

Skyler02 08-24-2018 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by 20sx (Post 2661360)
On the positive side, Hogan’s are out for cpp qualified at Mesa.

When did this come out?

jacburn 08-24-2018 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by JuniorFO (Post 2661195)
XJT sends almost triple the percentage to United compared to CommutAir through the CPP.....

Depends how you want to look at that number. XJT sends over a smaller percentage of their pilot group to UA than the percentage of the 300 pilots at CommutAir.

20sx 08-24-2018 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2661448)
That is a positive. How long do we have to wait for a retake if we bomb it?

Good question....let’s hope we don’t have to find out:)

20sx 08-24-2018 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by Skyler02 (Post 2661628)
When did this come out?

Today......

calmwinds 08-25-2018 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by jacburn (Post 2661638)
Depends how you want to look at that number. XJT sends over a smaller percentage of their pilot group to UA than the percentage of the 300 pilots at CommutAir.

Yeah, I was reading the quote with disbelief too. CommutAir is smaller, and of course, they send over fewer pilots. But as a percentage of base, CommutAir sends over more of their base and much faster than Xjet.

I am still waiting for the first Mesa pilot to go over. A Hogan test doesn’t make the program “real” here. It is when a pilot goes over and at what seniority. If the seniority is similar to Xjet, that will take the winds out of this program as a recruiting tool. We can’t match CommutAir’s 2 years and 2 weeks record of doh to doh, because Mesa’s minimums are already greater than CommutAir’s. So, I can’t see how Mesa recruits pilots for IAD with this program.

calmwinds 08-25-2018 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by 20sx (Post 2661699)
Good question....let’s hope we don’t have to find out:)

Xjet pilots talk about having to retake the Hogan all the time when I talk to them in base. I think they have to wait 6 months.

JuniorFO 08-25-2018 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by jacburn (Post 2661638)
Depends how you want to look at that number. XJT sends over a smaller percentage of their pilot group to UA than the percentage of the 300 pilots at CommutAir.

It's a percentage of United's classes, and how many people have been accepted into the program, not a percentage of the C5 or XJT pilot group. It's doesn't matter the size of the UAX airline, C5 could grow to the same size of XJT and it still would be 25% XJT vs. 10% C5.

But yes, XJT is much much more senior than C5.

calmwinds 08-25-2018 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by JuniorFO (Post 2661832)
It's a percentage of United's classes, and how many people have been accepted into the program, not a percentage of the C5 or XJT pilot group. It's doesn't matter the size of the UAX airline, C5 could grow to the same size of XJT and it still would be 25% XJT vs. 10% C5.

But yes, XJT is much much more senior than C5.

When they are accepting to the minimum times at CommutAir, United is taking everyone there as soon as they meet the minimum qualifications (2,000 hours).

Thanks for at least acknowledging Xjet is much more senior. It is much, much more senior. I expect the same thing once Mesa’s CPP program is finally up and running.

jacburn 08-25-2018 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by JuniorFO (Post 2661832)
It's a percentage of United's classes, and how many people have been accepted into the program, not a percentage of the C5 or XJT pilot group. It's doesn't matter the size of the UAX airline, C5 could grow to the same size of XJT and it still would be 25% XJT vs. 10% C5.

But yes, XJT is much much more senior than C5.

FYI, our percentage has steps included in the program. If the pilot size increases at C5, so does the currently now 10%.

I think that you are missing the point of my statement or you just don't like the fact. C5 sends over more pilots to UA per the percentage of the pilot group than any other airline no matter what percentage of the new hire class UA has.

Now, leave the poor guys at Mesa alone and try to recruit somewhere else.

PhantomHawk 08-25-2018 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2661757)
Xjet pilots talk about having to retake the Hogan all the time when I talk to them in base. I think they have to wait 6 months.

It’s a year to retake.


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