Yes, but....

With the CPP is less, much less.....

Then, since we can apply the normal way as well, it is just one more chance. Making it much more.

Too much negativety in life will get you cancer, so there goes your chance ...

Not my problem.

I’m just glad that a lowest common denominator like me had the odds in my favor vs. those on the CPP that DIDNT.

But best of luck to you.

Half the pilots at Mesa just had a knife stuck in their backs, after years of service, furloughs, base-closings, etc, etc.

And here you are, bragging about your 'chance' . . .

Stockholm Syndrome?

Lifers, who sit here complaining about their lot, and do nothing about it, are the ones with Stockholm Syndrome.

Some advice: Lose some weight. Get a degree. And, get out of here. Go to an AAL wholly owned and get a flow. Go to SkyWest, who has a better reputation among recruiters and will give you credit for years of service in your pay rate.

For the rest of us, Mesa represents a way to build time quickly, upgrade quickly, and move on quickly. That isn’t Stockholm Syndrome, that is using Mesa for what it is.

By the way, if you feel that strongly about it, you can also write Oscar Munoz explaining how badly Mesa is treating its pilot base in the roll out of the CPP. This is a United program, with Mesa nuances (such as 2,000 tpic versus 1,000 tpic at CommutAir).

There are parts of the program that haven’t been made clear. That upsets me too. Can an existing pilot that doesn’t qualify today qualify tomorrow, by either building additional hours or transferring to IAD? Or, can a pilot defer their United application until they are better qualified, such as earning a 4 year degree or having lost 50 pounds?

Skywest has been building a horrible reputation at United-Too many right seat Capt’s. Just a couple years ago nobody ever wanted to go to piedmont. It was the place for people who couldn’t get hired at other regionals. Now those same non hireable pilots are flowing to AA. You can’t predict what will happen with the regionals in the next 10 years. Moving laterally to another regional is just dumb. Especially one that has a lot of 50 seaters. The CPP carrot gives me something to do while I wait for a major to call. Only way I will stay at Mesa is if we get a pay raise and a real flow.

Meanwhile, SkyWest is losing 80 pilots per month to the majors. I didn’t run into a single pilot last month at Mesa going to a major.

Dude - if I ever did leave this industry, it would be out of frustration from having to fly with people just like you.

Selfish . . . and clueless.

There's an old saying - 'never pass up an opportunity to shut up' . . .

Skywest has 4,600 pilots so the odds are in their favor. 80 pilots a month to a major? Skywest wouldn't survive if they lost that many pilots every month. I know 4 Ejet capts leaving in the next two weeks for a major.

And, you pass it up every time....

That is why SkyWest is going to start offering new hire bonuses and trying to raise the pay of new hires. Their TA is out.

Glad to hear that Ejet captains are moving on. They didn’t last month.

(Wait, I just met a Captain leaving and he is in the June United class).

At 964 posts - compared to my 25 posts - I would argue that that saying clearly applies to you.

Regardless, people like you are JO's wet dream.

And you always will be.

You won't fight - you'll just accept whatever scraps happen to be thrown to you by your captors. You lick their boots, and try to argue that you're not licking their boots.

You are the reason the new 'norm' is 70K-80K per year for a captain - instead of in the 200's (topping out over 300K). Instead of fighting, you justified it. You bought into their argument.

For anyone thinking of simply getting out of this industry BEFORE retirement - and finding a career that we can salvage our ability to make a living AND put away enough for retirement - it's because people like you are voting 'yes' to contracts that any sane pilot would vote no on.

You ENABLE them to continue doing this to us.

You accept that Mesa's version of ALPA (LOL) is akin to a really bad joke - being played on all of us.

I grew up in a household with a parent who was in executive mgmt at a legacy. I've overheard (seemingly) millions of conversations. One thing is for sure - executive management's hatred for pilots is far greater than most of us realize.

They go WAY out of their way to screw us. Again and again and again.

Had I not seen this firsthand, I'm not sure I would have believed it myself.

Don't believe me?

Look at your pay scales. Look at your QOL. Look at your med/dental benefits.

Look at your 'union.'

Look at the fact that only half of this pilot group is getting a shot at a flow-through.

And not a peep from our 'union'

In other words, look at the result - instead of focusing on your false hope. Your ignorance is staggering - yet you aren't the only one. I fly with people like you several times a week.

Airlines' executive management didn't just beat us - now they're doing their end-zone dance on top of us.

And where is our 'union?' They're dancing too - but pretending to be angry.

My opinion here, but they are ripe for a class-action suit for misrepresentation . . .

Yeah, our pay is pretty bad. And, no one should rely on our benefits.

And, I believe that Envoy’s street captain program (even though it is a 145) is pretty attractive. Or, SkyWest’s pay on Mesa’s longevity and nearly a street captain program is pretty attractive.

Union guys have been on here explaining that a United CPP program is not subject to the collective bargaining agreement.

Good luck in whatever decision you make for yourself.

My goals are pretty simple. To be gone as quickly as I can get hired by a major.

Fortunately, I like my job here. I think 80% of the pilots I fly with are pretty good and have a great attitude. And, I am honored not to be someone you would want to fly with.

Keep licking their boots.

And keep trying to tell yourself that you're not . . .

Just keep asking yourself how that Airbus type rating is working out for you, while you sit here working at the worst regional (since Great Lakes has lost that title)...

Nice work, Columbo.

Yet another topic you know next-to-nothing about, but you still can't resist taking a shot anyways.

Go back to licking JO's boots . . .

I just know you are pretty pathetic. I don’t mind taking a shot at someone who shouldn’t even be here. By the way, JO doesn’t wear boots.

Does Mesa actually have CPP or not? According to United, it looks like a no.

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/company/career/program.aspx

I would take it as United has a process for updating their website content that is slower than Mesa. United would be pretty upset if Mesa started advertising a CPP program if one didn’t exist. This is probably not high on the priority list of those maintaining United’s website.

So, yes, I believe Mesa has a CPP program with United. I believe every Mesa pilot who has been, is a, or will be a dedicated United Express Pilot should fill out the Mesa CPP form, regardless of meeting the stated qualifications. Let Mesa and United sort the requirements out.

KC, aren’t you a pilot at Republic who was last touting an IAH base?

In other words how that IAH base working out now Mesa has a CPP and our preliminary hours for July and August are up, see below! You can take that Republic recruiting poster down in B Terminal now.


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Magpbs: Okay. What are the statistics by base? Did hour go up on the Ejet as expected for the summer?

IAH on the FO side looks covered with just a few coverage awards. IAH CA has many coverage awards. Nothing like we have been seeing in the past.
IAH was flat May to June. I'm told preliminary information is expect a jump for July and August.

What a joke.... Mesa can’t even get the FAQ right after all this time. There is a reason that regionals that have the CPP have segregated their UAX pilots. United does not want to recruit for American.

My prediction is in the next 6 months or sooner that United drops it’s CPP arrangement with Mesa because of the entanglements.

If we don’t place someone with United in the next class like CommutAir and Air Wisconsin are, it is time to go somewhere else.

Probably has something to do with the fact that half the Mesa pilots barely speak English?

How many guys with 2,000 hours tpic, a 4 year degree, haven’t busted more than 2 checkrides, no training failures or absence programs at Mesa, and Mesa is their first 121 operation do you think there are? I suspect a meager 25%.

Anyway, there are plenty of qualified CA’s at Mesa under the most stringent rules. We lose them monthly to SWA, Delta, and United today. If we can’t place at least 5 into the next class at United through the CPP, Mesa’s CPP is a farce (just like the ATL base).

Great news on CPP for IAH and IAD based Captains. Hopefully, we will see they head out for the fall United classes to really generate excitement.

Any DFW, PHX or SDF Captains planning to bid to IAD or IAH for CPP?

It’s not just for captains. Although most senior will mostly be captains.

The email avoided what percentage amount United will take from us. Not a good sign. We’ll see some go, but I don’t expect a lot.

ExpressJet is 25%. United took 23 for the June class from ExpressJet.

CommutAir is 10%. I can’t see Mesa having a smaller percentage than CommutAir.

Anyway, my expectation is at least 5 Captains leave by the end of this fall.

I will once I can hold a line in IAD. The first bunch should be IAD captains with them being so senior. But not sure how many of them have degrees.

I see the ExpressJet attitude is alive and well. No one is as good as XJT. :rolleyes:

I am not sure that seniority has anything to do with it. It hasn’t in United’s regular hiring. Things like diversity seem to be a focus of the majors and count much more than degrees and seniority.

Odd that there are no captain or FO spots on the standing bid notice that just came out.

The CPP will take pilots by seniority at Mesa. Diversity and such isn't a part of this.

Is this in writing someplace that I missed?

Pretty sure it says it in new faq and that’s the only way it makes sense. They interview the qualifying pilots in order of seniority and they go to UA in that order. What was your impression?

Does diversity mean less Caucasian, straight males?

Did everybody get this email? What did it say?

This is the only place I can find in the FAQ about seniority. No where does it explain what CPP seniority is:

Is the CPP seniority based on your enrollment period or Mesa company seniority?

Your Mesa seniority applies to all pilots that meet the requirements, regardless of when you enroll.

Of course. You have noticed the pilots who move on. Less Caucasian makes.