MagPBS, can you (or anyone) clarify this? Last I read you had to be flying in a United base to qualify? Does it appear that has changed?

I would be surprised. Why would United want to help staff American’s feed?

United won’t. That is why I expect this to fall through. All of the regionals flying United Express will want the CPP. If all get the CPP happens, then there won’t be anything special about Mesa’s program.

There’s no final word yet. A few of us noticed on the official cpp page that it originally said must have flown previous 12 months on UA side and continue to fly on that side. Now that specific language has been removed. But that could be a recruiting tool

The more regionals that United dangles the CPP to the more watered-down it becomes and the less effective of a recruiting tool it will become. I’m happy that Mesa got it but I have to wonder if United isn’t throwing mud at a wall to see what sticks at this point. They seem to have no real cohesive plan for the regionals at the moment.

CPP is not going to happen, it’s just for recruitment, just like Atlanta base.

Yep, in a few months, Mesa will announce that they could not come to terms with United that is fair to the entire pilot group and the CPP is being dropped. Another round of false advertising to get new hires.

There's nothing special about the Mesa CPP already....CommutAir, Expressjet, and Air Wisconsin already have it. However, if we get a certain percentage of the new hire spots, then it doesn't matter if other carriers get it also. 10% (or whatever percentage) is still 10%.

ALPA for ALPA doesn't really apply when these deals are made without Union involvement. It should apply since it was a union agenda, but I don't think it's part of the equation.

The only thing “special” is Mesa is trying to apply this to a non-UAX base. Not that way at any of the other regionals you mentioned.

Considering the number of us with years and years of ua experience who would get shut out because we’re not in iad. It’s not about us helping aa. It’s about us helping Mesa.

Not a problem with the other bases being angry or jealous. I just don’t see it being worked out. This is no different than the ATL base. All hat, no cattle.

Any indication that details will be forthcoming anytime soon?

I know students looking to make a decision on a regional soon. They want details to make that decision.

Even if it happens, the numbers will most likely be underwhelming. Don’t come to Mesa expecting a quick ticket to United. Judging by the Air Whiskey and ExpressJet forums, pilots won’t even be told what number in line they are - by design. More and more it feels like a recruiting and retention tool, not a tangible pathway to United.

The Xjet pilots have a sense for where they are in line. Mainly because of their dwindling numbers and they know who is ahead of them. A buddy of mine there feels fairly confident he will transition this year.

They should not make a decision based on this recruitment tool. There are a lot of other things to consider besides this CPP, which most pilots will not be able to qualify for anyway.

Agreed. This is just one part of the big picture. And they are well aware of that. Mesa is falling behind in a lot of other areas.

Wondering what you think will disqualify most pilots from the CPP?

This is sort of an odd question- currently Mesa has a Non-Line instructor position open- will the CPP allow those guys to enroll in the CPP? Also if your a line pilot and you're in the sim, do those hours count towards the requirements?

One other question- do you guys hire FO's as sim instructors? Or is it only captains?

Why be a SIM instructor if you are qualified to be a line pilot? And, yes, FO’s can be sim instructors.

Flight hours don’t include SIM time. So, assuming the requirement is 3,000 flight hours - SIM hours would not count.

Well the way I kinda figured is I really enjoy teaching but the idea of the CPP really appeals to me. I currently live about 20 minutes from the airport so if I could work in the sim and work towards the CPP at the same time that would be the best of both worlds? I don’t know enough about either situation; just trying to gather information.

Do you live 20 minutes from which airport? To be honest, I would get 1,000 right seat time before teaching the SIM.

Phx- I live over in Scottsdale.

Email with more CPP info sent out this afternoon.

I start in a few weeks, can you divulge what was said?

It causes more questions than it necessarily answers.

I cannot tell if one must be a Ejet Pilot, or a pilot based either in IAD or IAH. Clearly, pilots in American Eagle bases are left out.

The other thing is what happens if an United Express pilot isn’t qualified for CPP today, but will be in the future. It doesn’t say they can enroll in the program and become qualified in the future.

Looks to me like this program will upset more pilots than it will make happy. Between upset pilots who move on and the 50 pilots hired per year by United under this program, Mesa will need to increase their new hire throughput.

The United CPP is pulling in 23 XJT pilots this month. They are contracted at 25% of United new hires. If we are contacted at 10% of United new hires as rumored, Mesa should be losing about 9 pilots to this program per month. I am guessing only IAD or IAH pilots qualify who have the requisite 3,000 hours 121 time or 2,000 hours 121 PIC time (I guess for RATP pilots) and a 4 year degree.

What was said that excluded Phx pilots? Can someone post the memo? Also what if you came into Mesa with 4000 hours already (2300 tpic)? 4 year degree?
Sorry for the crappy post- sitting middle seat on a 73.... large people stink

Can you clarify this?

Are you saying 23 pilots went to UAL on the CPP this month? March was the last class we ran, with the next new hire class NEXT month.

One must be “exclusively a United Express Pilot for Mesa” for the last 12 months. One must have “2,000 PIC or 3,000 total time flying for Mesa Airlines”.

Except for turning over all your detailed training and attendance records at Mesa to United, the rest of the requirements for qualifying are set by United and they will review your application.

United is saying they plan to hire 500 pilots per year. 25% are committed to XJT. Rumor is 10% are committed to Mesa.

The math seems pretty simple as to how many Mesa pilots will go to United per year. 50 per year.

XJT is reporting 23 just took advantage of the program, probably entering next month’s new hire class for United.

To be clear it says:
"Pilots must also maintain at least 12 months of exclusively flying as United Express at Mesa Airlines"


It doesn't say the LAST 12 months. Just says have 12 months.

Correct. My error. It does use a present tense verb in describing the one must be exclusively a United Express Pilot —- which may imply a pilot must be based in IAD or IAH now.

I agree it still doesn't answer a lot correctly. Why say now open to ALL pilots when you have to actively be in IAD/IAH right now. It really comes down to those that use to be in ORD/IAD/DEN/BNA back in the day. Does all that time count or not.

The CPP is nothing but a scam. It’s going to do nothing but **** off the current pilots, and attract new pilots that don’t know any better. That program is not designed for regionals operating for multiple carriers.

This is was I was asking about.

You posted “this month”, there wasn’t a new hire class this month. But for June, NEXT MONTH, yes.

And yes, I’m already VERY FAMILIAR with the XJT/CPP language.

And take that “United plans to hire 500 a year” with a grain of salt. There’s seems to be an increase in this year’s plan if it stays 2 classs per year till end of year, THANK GOD. It’ll beat the initial projection of filling 600 vacancies.

But just for perspective, 2017 was 800, then 600, then 450. Not even 300 new hires added to the list when all was said and done.

Hey I'm large :D

Mesa tends to hide the details that will upset people. Do we know if all Mesa pilots even received the email? If someone received the email from IAD, DFW, SDF, or PHX pipe in if they received the email.

PHX got it


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It's been very hit and miss, and the people who did get it got it at different times.

A+ communication.

Tell the 23 XJT pilots that start class at United in June that CPP is a scam.....many at XJT in IAH are only there waiting for their interview to come up.

I do agree that it is problematic for regionals that operate for multiple carriers, because big regionals, like Republic and SkyWest, don’t necessarily segregate their bases by carrier. Mesa does.

Unfortunately for Mesa pilots outside of IAH, Mesa has been less than forthcoming with answers. They want the answers to not upset any of the current pilots.

Hopefully, pilots at bases other than IAH are firing their questions into the email address provided.

It’s worked out good for the pilots that have gone.

Many of those pilots going NOW could have taken advantage of the of the defacto system and been hired at CAL in 2005-2008 and be NB CA’s, senior NB’s FO’s, senior (enough) WB FO’s NOW.

Many of them are having/had the come to jesus moment of “oh crap, looks like staying at a regional wasn’t such a good idea afterall”.

And for those waiting on their interview;

The ones that pass HPI and get the face to face have about a 20% chance of getting accepted.

The second rounders have about a 50% chance.

That stay held close for Commutair as well.

Just like off the street, they have shot down some FANTASTIC pilots and accepted some of the most disliked/avoided CA’s.

And there’s been more than a few in the program that simply left becuse they were tired of waiting on their number. CA’s as well as FO’s.

A guy said it best, “the CPP is NOTHING MORE than a chance, at a chance, at a chance”.

Isn’t that how all regional pilots move to the majors? They take advantage of chances, of a chance, of a chance until it happens.