Last one was I saw was, of the regional pilot demographic XJT made up 31%.

Not of all pilots hired

CRJ Pilots in IAD will be allowed per the video on the Mesa website.

The Mesa website was updated to indicate a pilot needs to be a UAX pilot for the last 12 months in order to be eligible for the United CPP program. What will this do for IAH and IAD bases?

1. Where do you see that?
2. Way to screw over the rest of us who worked for United for years.

It is listed on the Mesa website under United CPP program eligibility.

http://www.mesa-air.com/content.aspx?pageID=31342&CNM=United%20Airlines%20 Career%20Path%20Program

Wow I really thought they might throw us guys that had previously served under United a bone. It’s almost no reason not to only a small number of people meet the qualifications and only some will want to interview and even then not everyone will get a job offer.

What a deplorable shame. They thought they had retention problems on the United side, watch what happens on the American side now.

Par for course.

I suspect this was insisted on by United. It is the same policy United has at the other regionals with a CPP. United isn’t interested in helping American bases retain regional pilots. So, this really isn’t a “hiring United pilots program” as much as it is a “attract new UAX regional pilots and retain UAX regional pilots program”. All regionals flying under UAX colors don’t have a CPP. I wonder why.

It has a big enough draw, and enough United pilots are hired through it, that Xjet pilots stick with Xjet for years to get their United interview. So, it works in how the program was intended. It attracts new UAX regional pilots and retains UAX regional pilots. For Xjet, this has to be a disaster, now a Mesa pilots gets the one benefit that Xjet touted as uniquely Xjet’s. With 6 year upgrades, what does Xjet have to offer a new pilot? Flying a 145? An ever shrinking base structure?

I know why they did it, but it also goes against the very idea of collective bargaining.

Suddenly half our pilot group has substantially different benefits.

Hmm, your retention problems are going to skyrocket as you slowly move to out station basing and everyone ends up with a two leg commute.

This is exactly right. If this is something the company wants, it should be negotiated.
They want to offer this to the UAX side but the Eagle side can’t particpate? Fine, let’s negotiate a retention bonus for the Eagle side for example. For God’s try to negotiate something!

This is carrot to bring in new hires, it has little to do with pilots on the property.

You’d think they would care about pilot retention, the truth is the opposite. They hate pilots with seniority. They cost more money. They do not care about experience. They want filled new hire classes with fast upgrades. Keeps their costs lower, and gives an incentive for people to come through the door. They purposely don’t care about people already in, they want them to leave.

If that happens, sure. Right now, ATL appears it will go senior based on the number of pilots that already two leg commute where ATL will reduce commuting.

Look, we have our eyes wide open. Great Lakes has shut down due to lack of pilots. Other regionals will follow suit as the shortage worsens. And, when Great Lakes bit the dust, the regionals circled like vultures offering class dates without interviews.

Many of us are simply watching what happens next. Opportunities are out there.

That’s the most important thing, keep your eyes open, and pounce on any opportunity that comes. Those who hesitate will get trapped.

Don’t you think American would have be the major to offer any retention benefits, or a similar program to CPP, since United is offering this at no financial cost to Mesa?

You aren’t sitting in IAH where pilots are looking at the requirements and whether they already meet them. I think it will help at least with retention on the Ejet.

I’d feel the same way if it was AA offering something and the UAX pilots were excluded. If it doesn’t benefit the entire pilot group we shouldn’t want it - just my .02

I guess ALPA should sue United and Mesa to stop the CPP program then. I doubt ALPA reps had a lot to say about the program before it was inked.

What happens to pilots if Mesa loses the United Ejet contract? Do all these pilots just get furloughed since there is no Ejets for them to fly?

I am not going to pounce on any opportunity. I looked briefly at Republic. Then, it became clear that IAH was going to be a senior base and upgrading there would set me back. They became a non-starter.

Collective bargaining is for contractual issues. There is NOTHING contractual about the CPP. The mainline partner is in FULL control of how things go down, and it can vanish in a second. Personally, I agree with keeping it exclusive to UAX pilots, but my opinion isn’t really relevant to your carrier’s operation. I think it’s bizarre that United included a company who serves its competition for this program, but that’s also irrelevant.

United CPP comes to Mesa
 

Who will Republic fly for in the new IAH base?

FWIW I’m sure it will not remain a small base for very long after opening.

Some explain how could upgrading or sitting CA Rsv being home-based set someone back?

Delta and United is what I was told.

An upgrade for RAH in IAH is 5 years. Given time at Mesa and the desire for TPIC by majors, going over there for either a lower QOL by commuting or waiting 5 years for an upgrade just isn’t worth it.

I will wait and see what happens. And, given that many regionals have street upgrades these days, if Mesa faulters, I will leave and commute for one of these regionals as a Captain.

Well there’s a good chance you’ll have to sit ready which might be worse than being incarcerated.

Sitting RSV and flying the right seat makes it harder build PIC.

The Ejet CA’s are mostly flying left seat and getting lines. I don’t see them on reserve for more than a month.

When the right opportunity comes along, as in removing yourself from the regional world... Sideways move is a tougher call.

Just randomly checked the website again and looks like they took out the previous 12 months part. Anyone hear anything

Yeah, I saw that had happened too. The 12 months is still there, it just doesn’t specify that one must be a UAX pilot; only a Mesa pilot.

Mesa also added bachelor’s degree “or obtained other applicable credentials acceptable to United”.

It seems most of our CA’s with 2 years or more of experience qualify based on the website. If they don’t, I would like to know why.

I’m guessing applicable credentials just gives UA the ability to look over the degree requirement but that’ll probably be super rare.

They may qualify, but most likely won’t make the cut. United wants a 4 year degree. I tried to help a friend get on who has multiple type ratings but only a 2 year degree. They said no thanks. Other than being able to check the box on an application I have never used my degree or even been asked a single question about college in any airline interview. Until they run out of qualified applicants with the degree I don’t expect things to change. So for now 3,000 hours and a degree is better than 15,000 and no degree.

My line of thought starting out was that the majors wanted a degree. I knew I would have to have one to be competitive, so I got the degree. My GPA is horrible, but I can check the box. That and a whole lot of luck has landed a pretty good career.

Pretty accurate summary.

I have a friend at UAL who has no college. Period. Not because he didn't have the ability or was lazy. He just said it wasn't for him. He made up for the lack of college by teaching ground school for 121/135 airplanes (regional with 121 and 135 turboprops), LCA, and flight instruction in the planes. He was immersed in the training and certification of pilots as well as a line pilot. Great guy with great attitude and abilities.

I can't speak for him but I bet he would tell you it is easier to get on with UAL if you are in the group of 99% instead of the group of 1%.

While he might have been in the group of 1% without a degree he is definitely somewhere in the top percent of the pilot group.

Good luck.

Has anyone looked into initiating the process yet? I would guess at least 25% of our CA’s are already qualified.

Latest is details still isn't final, so nothing to apply to yet.

So, possibly a recruiting tool that never manifests itself in reality......

This is an existing program at other regionals. What and where is the hold-up?

No it will happen. And we are unlike any of the other airlines in the program. Remember how it went up you had to be in a Ua base and then that changed?

Consider this like a contract. The ta is agreed to the final language is working over out.

That’s as much as we know. My info comes from the p2p network btw not some inside info.

I expect the CPP to fall through. All the other UAX regionals (Republic and SkyWest) that fly the same jet for other majors can’t get the CPP.

It's not falling through, and the sky isn't falling. The details aren't worked out yet, but United is on board for this.

Once we have this hammered out, United should be on board with Republic and SkyWest having a CPP for the very same reason..... we will blaze the trail for other regionals.... and, then, the CPP won’t matter.

It seems like they are just giving the cpp to the regionals that are struggling with retaining pilots honestly.

All regionals are struggling to attract and retain pilots. SkyWest is bleeding pilots and to start there on the Ejet is a 3 or 4 month wait. Low compensation is part of their problem. Republic is also losing pilots faster than they can get them. And, the Republic IAH base will put a nasty wrinkle in the Mesa Ejet program.

Endeavor and the AA regionals are the only ones growing right now.

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