"IF" UA sends them out on time...I know some guys that are at the 16 month mark since bombing the first...

Correct. I just meant one year minimum. Who knows what schedule they use for sending them out. I have heard rumors of them changing it to an all-day Hogan/interview session. But who knows?

Any news from people that have taken the Hogan? What are people hearing after pass versus fail?

They’re getting interviews! The interviews are scheduled at the end of September and beginning of October.

Wow that’s exciting hope it goes smooth for em.

Who plans to listen to the United call this morning at 9:30 am mountain?

What United call?

Mesa CPP Interview Prep presented by United Airlines
Friday, September 7, 2018
9:30 am | Mountain Daylight Time

I guess us AA guys didn’t get the invite.

I would guess not since you have to be at a United base for a year to qualify for CPP.

You could get hired sooner, buy going through the outside. I know a few guys that got hired quicker going through the outside, than waiting for UA to call. So it's up to you, which way to go.

It depends. We should know soon how long the wait is for a new hire at Mesa. CommutAir is just over 2 years past doh.

From my experiences with fully qualified candidates, it's really hard to get an interview with United. IMO, it's not quicker to get hired going elsewhere at this point. Most of the low time people or "barely at the regional" that get hired with United are exceptions to the rule.

Initially it's going to be over 20 years at Mesa;)

I am not sure how many 20+ year people are going to want to go to the right seat at a new base. But, you are correct, while CommutAir is just over 2 years, Xjet is nearly a 10 year wait.

One of the problems with flow throughs, or though a good selling point for your company, is that, they can have a great deal effect on your company. They can absorb a number of pilots, from you're company that will impact the operations, or they can slow it down. Just depends what they want to do.

Just talked to my IAD buddy having an interview next week @ United.

Plus there is at least another MESA Captain that is going or went already.

Some People Just don't Get It!
 

The funniest thing happened the other day, when I was jumping seating on AA. So, me and this Fedex, Capt (777) were jump seating on AA. We were all talking BS, like always. And this FO, and you can tell, he just came up from the commuters asked the FedEx Capt, why is he flying freight? Capt says, well, I flew for the airlines, but I like the time off we get at Fedex. I, don't really fly that much, sometimes just one leg, and the money is good. This new FO then says, "oh, I wanted to be a professional pilot, that's why I chose the airlines" we just looked at ourselves and busted our laughing. The AA Capt says to the guy, " you're an idiot" I was dieing laughing.
I thought guys like that were just stories, until I came across this guy. That's the best jump seating I ever had.

Please, don't be that guy.

Is there any update on this?

I heard that 9 guys selected made it.

Saying the CPP is a "10 year wait" at XJT is a misrepresentation. No one has been "waiting" 10+ years at XJT, because of course the XJT CPP is only around 2 years old. The fact that 12 year pilots are moving on to United now is irrelevant to junior pilots in the XJT CPP, where the wait is more like 2-3 years from DOH.

Any info on their seniority and how many got a no.

From what I understand the first round was 23 of the most senior guys. 9 ultimately made it through everything, we’re interviewed, and are in the pool at United now.

I heard in the IAH crew room that we lost 3 of our APD’s on the Ejet. The names I heard are all pretty senior. I also heard that at least one senior pilot was interviewed and told “No” —- please try again in 6 months. So, getting the interview doesn’t guarantee an offer.

Once we know everyone who received offers out of the rumored 31 (or 23) pilots who were interviewed, we will know how deep the CPP is reaching.

If we lose the CRJ700’s in IAD without replacements, I suspect the United CPP will abruptly end. Losing those jets will signal that United is unhappy with Mesa.

If you believe what we hear coming from Xjet pilots in IAH, United will award the new Ejets to Xjet in the next month or so. I suspect that at the same time, we will know who has lost their CRJ700’s. Meanwhile, I heard our management is confident we have a good possibility of being awarded some of the new Ejets. Of course, I believe our management has its head stuck in the sand.

CPP
 

Out of the 16 interviewed, 10 passed the interview. 3 APDs out of 5 are leaving.

What does that mean for EJET training footprint?

Fun times ahead!

Now that I think about it even if we lose the 700s I don’t think the CPP will end. Last thing UAL want to do is destroy their regional recruiting stick. It would kill recruiting at all 4 regionals.

Now the big question any idea on a percentage per class or do we not have one.

You are assuming that United will end the CPP program..... I am assuming Mesa will end the program.

No I was assuming just Mesa. UAL pulling the rug from every new hire we got the last half year would give a lot of future new hires everywhere pause about the CPP they would all know that they would be better off flying AA. I just don’t see them damaging the main carrot they have that cost them nothing.

If we lose the CRJ700’s and/or the first 30 Ejets, the price will fall out of our stock price. There will be plenty of unhappy stock holders. The direction of things will be less predictable now that we are a public company.

Are you guys in IAH really doing that bad?

Worst case scenario would open the door for ALPA preferential hiring at another ALPA carrier, most likely flying something bigger than an RJ.
I wouldn't worry about it, just do what you have to do, to move on up.

I still think Mesa will end up being bought by someone...

We can’t seem to fly CAT II’s after 5 years of trying. CAT II’s is a contractual requirement in the United contract and our contract on the first 30 Ejets is up on June 1, 2019.

We will know in the next few months.

Huh? You don’t do cat ii?

We can. We just don’t do them well. :-)

Until people start following the checklist and callouts, we will never get out of the demonstration phase. The FAA isn’t going to let us just keep using the 1600RVR. I’m surprised they’ve given us this long when the average is 6 months to remove the 1600 limitation.

If it were that simple..... our callouts suck. Designed by someone who doesn’t fly the line. Try doing those callouts on a busy day and still effectively work the radio. Too much ******ing chatter in the callouts.

Our latest attempt to fix the problem is just a bandaid. The FAA is simply letting us adjust our program. And, you are right, a properly designed CAT II procedure would be passed by the FAA in 6 months. And, the demonstration phase buys you 200 feet of visibility over CAT I. The FAA is pretty safe in letting us stay in the demonstration phase forever.

It won’t surprise me we lose all or part of the first 30 Ejets over it. I have already diverted over the difference between 1400 and 1600.

It is actually quite simple...either people learn it correctly, or we don’t get full CAT 2 privileges. I agree 200% the callouts SUCK, but again that doesn’t matter unfortunately.