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amcnd 03-21-2018 05:19 PM

So now a flood of CRJ guys bid the ERJ??

Bartender 03-21-2018 05:22 PM

Just get out. United is a dumpster fire. They don’t know what to do.

WesternSkies 03-21-2018 06:03 PM

an alarm bell must have gone off at United.

T28driver 03-21-2018 06:10 PM

We still have zero hard numbers on what the CPP will be at Air Wisconsin, so I would treat the 10% number provided by the recruiter with extreme skepticism.

United is in a tough place with their regional feed from a staffing perspective. They have no wholly owned carriers (and are effectively prohibited from having any due to agreements with their unions) which places them at a disadvantage compared to American and Delta.

For those of us flying for United Express, the CPP is either going to end up as a winning lottery ticket or it will be a slow death march of understaffed brutal schedules. There really is no in between. It is in United’s best interests to make the CPP a massive success. Otherwise they are going to run out of people to fly RJ’s and provide feed.

amcnd 03-21-2018 06:30 PM

This is all just a carrot to keep people around longer. Mesa attrition is high and this is a quick copy and past “flex seal” patch to stop the bleeding... most Mesa Jumpseaters i have talked to have class dates at Endeavor ect...

FlyingSlowly 03-21-2018 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by T28driver (Post 2556089)
Otherwise they are going to run out of people to fly RJ’s and provide feed.

OR they might just have to become the first legacy airline to fly 76-seat jets again --GASP-- on their own certificate. Bet there will be no shortage of pilots to fill the seats then...

Money and bona fide career progression speaks volumes.


[Furthermore, they could then figure out how to cram 84 seats on the same jets since they wouldn't have to worry about scope!]

T28driver 03-21-2018 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly (Post 2556111)
OR they might just have to become the first legacy airline to fly 76-seat jets again --GASP-- on their own certificate. Bet there will be no shortage of pilots to fill the seats then...

Money and bona fide career progression speaks volumes.


[Furthermore, they could then figure out how to cram 84 seats on the same jets since they wouldn't have to worry about scope!]


One can hope. I agree that this would be the best possible scenario for everyone involved. I also firmly believe that the first Major that brings the small jets in house will be in a much better position from a staffing standpoint 5-10 years from now than the majors that do not.

Bartender 03-21-2018 07:06 PM

United is clueless. If you fly for UEX, get out. If you are thinking of coming to UEX, Do not!

Greygore1869 03-21-2018 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2555835)
Ejet training program is in shambles. Waiting for it to be fixed. My definition of fixed is 3 months from DOH to IOE. I think they are still working on getting the August and September classes to IOE.

Okay, ive been reading these forums for a while and this sentence has forced me to finally make an account and reply. Where do you come up with this S$&!? If people are taking that long there is seriously something wrong. The training footprint currently is just under 3 or right on 3 months. Not great but nowhere near the 7-8 you are saying.....

Or am I misunderstanding, I intiially thought this comment was made in reference to XJT. After a second read I realize I may be wrong here.

thornfc6 03-21-2018 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by Greygore1869 (Post 2556144)
Okay, ive been reading these forums for a while and this sentence has forced me to finally make an account and reply. Where do you come up with this S$&!? If people are taking that long there is seriously something wrong. The training footprint currently is just under 3 or right on 3 months. Not great but nowhere near the 7-8 you are saying.....

Or am I misunderstanding, I intiially thought this comment was made in reference to XJT. After a second read I realize I may be wrong here.

Sorry to be a testament to calmwinds, but yes it is taking 6-7 months at Mesa in the EJet. I started mid Oct, and I just got my sim schedule starting end of March. It will be end of April, almost May when I’m done. (Hopefully)

Not to derail...CPP is definitely a carrot dangle/recruitment item


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