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Skyler02 04-22-2018 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by MagPBS (Post 2576329)
And we are unlike any of the other airlines in the program. Remember how it went up you had to be in a Ua base and then that changed?

MagPBS, can you (or anyone) clarify this? Last I read you had to be flying in a United base to qualify? Does it appear that has changed?

I would be surprised. Why would United want to help staff American’s feed?

calmwinds 04-22-2018 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by Skyler02 (Post 2577729)
MagPBS, can you (or anyone) clarify this? Last I read you had to be flying in a United base to qualify? Does it appear that has changed?

I would be surprised. Why would United want to help staff American’s feed?

United won’t. That is why I expect this to fall through. All of the regionals flying United Express will want the CPP. If all get the CPP happens, then there won’t be anything special about Mesa’s program.

NovemberBravo 04-22-2018 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by Skyler02 (Post 2577729)
MagPBS, can you (or anyone) clarify this? Last I read you had to be flying in a United base to qualify? Does it appear that has changed?

I would be surprised. Why would United want to help staff American’s feed?

There’s no final word yet. A few of us noticed on the official cpp page that it originally said must have flown previous 12 months on UA side and continue to fly on that side. Now that specific language has been removed. But that could be a recruiting tool

chrisreedrules 04-23-2018 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2576314)
So, possibly a recruiting tool that never manifests itself in reality......

This is an existing program at other regionals. What and where is the hold-up?

The more regionals that United dangles the CPP to the more watered-down it becomes and the less effective of a recruiting tool it will become. I’m happy that Mesa got it but I have to wonder if United isn’t throwing mud at a wall to see what sticks at this point. They seem to have no real cohesive plan for the regionals at the moment.

madruski 04-23-2018 09:15 AM

CPP is not going to happen, it’s just for recruitment, just like Atlanta base.

calmwinds 04-23-2018 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by madruski (Post 2578344)
CPP is not going to happen, it’s just for recruitment, just like Atlanta base.

Yep, in a few months, Mesa will announce that they could not come to terms with United that is fair to the entire pilot group and the CPP is being dropped. Another round of false advertising to get new hires.

20sx 04-23-2018 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2577794)
United won’t. That is why I expect this to fall through. All of the regionals flying United Express will want the CPP. If all get the CPP happens, then there won’t be anything special about Mesa’s program.

There's nothing special about the Mesa CPP already....CommutAir, Expressjet, and Air Wisconsin already have it. However, if we get a certain percentage of the new hire spots, then it doesn't matter if other carriers get it also. 10% (or whatever percentage) is still 10%.

ALPA for ALPA doesn't really apply when these deals are made without Union involvement. It should apply since it was a union agenda, but I don't think it's part of the equation.

calmwinds 04-23-2018 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by 20sx (Post 2578568)
There's nothing special about the Mesa CPP already....CommutAir, Expressjet, and Air Wisconsin already have it. However, if we get a certain percentage of the new hire spots, then it doesn't matter if other carriers get it also. 10% (or whatever percentage) is still 10%.

ALPA for ALPA doesn't really apply when these deals are made without Union involvement. It should apply since it was a union agenda, but I don't think it's part of the equation.

The only thing “special” is Mesa is trying to apply this to a non-UAX base. Not that way at any of the other regionals you mentioned.

Sennant 04-23-2018 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2578602)
The only thing “special” is Mesa is trying to apply this to a non-UAX base. Not that way at any of the other regionals you mentioned.

Considering the number of us with years and years of ua experience who would get shut out because we’re not in iad. It’s not about us helping aa. It’s about us helping Mesa.

calmwinds 04-23-2018 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by Sennant (Post 2578684)
Considering the number of us with years and years of ua experience who would get shut out because we’re not in iad. It’s not about us helping aa. It’s about us helping Mesa.

Not a problem with the other bases being angry or jealous. I just don’t see it being worked out. This is no different than the ATL base. All hat, no cattle.


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