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John Carr 05-24-2018 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2601537)
Isn’t that how all regional pilots move to the majors?

Yes, but....


They take advantage of chances, of a chance, of a chance until it happens.
With the CPP is less, much less.....

calmwinds 05-24-2018 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2601577)
Yes, but....



With the CPP is less, much less.....

Then, since we can apply the normal way as well, it is just one more chance. Making it much more.

mjpilot 05-24-2018 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2601458)
It’s worked out good for the pilots that have gone.

Many of those pilots going NOW could have taken advantage of the of the defacto system and been hired at CAL in 2005-2008 and be NB CA’s, senior NB’s FO’s, senior (enough) WB FO’s NOW.

Many of them are having/had the come to jesus moment of “oh crap, looks like staying at a regional wasn’t such a good idea afterall”.

And for those waiting on their interview;

The ones that pass HPI and get the face to face have about a 20% chance of getting accepted.

The second rounders have about a 50% chance.

That stay held close for Commutair as well.

Just like off the street, they have shot down some FANTASTIC pilots and accepted some of the most disliked/avoided CA’s.

And there’s been more than a few in the program that simply left becuse they were tired of waiting on their number. CA’s as well as FO’s.

A guy said it best, “the CPP is NOTHING MORE than a chance, at a chance, at a chance”.

Too much negativety in life will get you cancer, so there goes your chance ...

John Carr 05-24-2018 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by mjpilot (Post 2601614)
Too much negativety in life will get you cancer, so there goes your chance ...

Not my problem.

I’m just glad that a lowest common denominator like me had the odds in my favor vs. those on the CPP that DIDNT.

But best of luck to you.

Brody 05-24-2018 09:34 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2601592)
Then, since we can apply the normal way as well, it is just one more chance. Making it much more.

Half the pilots at Mesa just had a knife stuck in their backs, after years of service, furloughs, base-closings, etc, etc.

And here you are, bragging about your 'chance' . . .

Stockholm Syndrome?

calmwinds 05-25-2018 03:20 AM


Originally Posted by Brody (Post 2601929)
Half the pilots at Mesa just had a knife stuck in their backs, after years of service, furloughs, base-closings, etc, etc.

And here you are, bragging about your 'chance' . . .

Stockholm Syndrome?

Lifers, who sit here complaining about their lot, and do nothing about it, are the ones with Stockholm Syndrome.

Some advice: Lose some weight. Get a degree. And, get out of here. Go to an AAL wholly owned and get a flow. Go to SkyWest, who has a better reputation among recruiters and will give you credit for years of service in your pay rate.

For the rest of us, Mesa represents a way to build time quickly, upgrade quickly, and move on quickly. That isn’t Stockholm Syndrome, that is using Mesa for what it is.

calmwinds 05-25-2018 04:06 AM


Originally Posted by Brody (Post 2601929)
Half the pilots at Mesa just had a knife stuck in their backs, after years of service, furloughs, base-closings, etc, etc.

And here you are, bragging about your 'chance' . . .

Stockholm Syndrome?

By the way, if you feel that strongly about it, you can also write Oscar Munoz explaining how badly Mesa is treating its pilot base in the roll out of the CPP. This is a United program, with Mesa nuances (such as 2,000 tpic versus 1,000 tpic at CommutAir).

There are parts of the program that haven’t been made clear. That upsets me too. Can an existing pilot that doesn’t qualify today qualify tomorrow, by either building additional hours or transferring to IAD? Or, can a pilot defer their United application until they are better qualified, such as earning a 4 year degree or having lost 50 pounds?

giggity37 05-25-2018 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2601976)
Lifers, who sit here complaining about their lot, and do nothing about it, are the ones with Stockholm Syndrome.

Some advice: Lose some weight. Get a degree. And, get out of here. Go to an AAL wholly owned and get a flow. Go to SkyWest, who has a better reputation among recruiters and will give you credit for years of service in your pay rate.

For the rest of us, Mesa represents a way to build time quickly, upgrade quickly, and move on quickly. That isn’t Stockholm Syndrome, that is using Mesa for what it is.

Skywest has been building a horrible reputation at United-Too many right seat Capt’s. Just a couple years ago nobody ever wanted to go to piedmont. It was the place for people who couldn’t get hired at other regionals. Now those same non hireable pilots are flowing to AA. You can’t predict what will happen with the regionals in the next 10 years. Moving laterally to another regional is just dumb. Especially one that has a lot of 50 seaters. The CPP carrot gives me something to do while I wait for a major to call. Only way I will stay at Mesa is if we get a pay raise and a real flow.

calmwinds 05-25-2018 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by giggity37 (Post 2602040)
Skywest has been building a horrible reputation at United-Too many right seat Capt’s. Just a couple years ago nobody ever wanted to go to piedmont. It was the place for people who couldn’t get hired at other regionals. Now those same non hireable pilots are flowing to AA. You can’t predict what will happen with the regionals in the next 10 years. Moving laterally to another regional is just dumb. Especially one that has a lot of 50 seaters. The CPP carrot gives me something to do while I wait for a major to call. Only way I will stay at Mesa is if we get a pay raise and a real flow.

Meanwhile, SkyWest is losing 80 pilots per month to the majors. I didn’t run into a single pilot last month at Mesa going to a major.

Brody 05-25-2018 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2601976)
Lifers, who sit here complaining about their lot, and do nothing about it, are the ones with Stockholm Syndrome.

Some advice: Lose some weight. Get a degree. And, get out of here. Go to an AAL wholly owned and get a flow. Go to SkyWest, who has a better reputation among recruiters and will give you credit for years of service in your pay rate.

For the rest of us, Mesa represents a way to build time quickly, upgrade quickly, and move on quickly. That isn’t Stockholm Syndrome, that is using Mesa for what it is.

Dude - if I ever did leave this industry, it would be out of frustration from having to fly with people just like you.

Selfish . . . and clueless.

There's an old saying - 'never pass up an opportunity to shut up' . . .


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