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brigadeaviator 05-22-2018 03:22 PM

Email with more CPP info sent out this afternoon.

nlrfireman 05-22-2018 03:25 PM

I start in a few weeks, can you divulge what was said?

calmwinds 05-22-2018 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by nlrfireman (Post 2600005)
I start in a few weeks, can you divulge what was said?

It causes more questions than it necessarily answers.

I cannot tell if one must be a Ejet Pilot, or a pilot based either in IAD or IAH. Clearly, pilots in American Eagle bases are left out.

The other thing is what happens if an United Express pilot isn’t qualified for CPP today, but will be in the future. It doesn’t say they can enroll in the program and become qualified in the future.

Looks to me like this program will upset more pilots than it will make happy. Between upset pilots who move on and the 50 pilots hired per year by United under this program, Mesa will need to increase their new hire throughput.

calmwinds 05-22-2018 06:07 PM

The United CPP is pulling in 23 XJT pilots this month. They are contracted at 25% of United new hires. If we are contacted at 10% of United new hires as rumored, Mesa should be losing about 9 pilots to this program per month. I am guessing only IAD or IAH pilots qualify who have the requisite 3,000 hours 121 time or 2,000 hours 121 PIC time (I guess for RATP pilots) and a 4 year degree.

Aviatormar 05-22-2018 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2600028)
It causes more questions than it necessarily answers.

I cannot tell if one must be a Ejet Pilot, or a pilot based either in IAD or IAH. Clearly, pilots in American Eagle bases are left out.

The other thing is what happens if an United Express pilot isn’t qualified for CPP today, but will be in the future. It doesn’t say they can enroll in the program and become qualified in the future.

Looks to me like this program will upset more pilots than it will make happy. Between upset pilots who move on and the 50 pilots hired per year by United under this program, Mesa will need to increase their new hire throughput.


What was said that excluded Phx pilots? Can someone post the memo? Also what if you came into Mesa with 4000 hours already (2300 tpic)? 4 year degree?
Sorry for the crappy post- sitting middle seat on a 73.... large people stink

John Carr 05-22-2018 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2600128)
The United CPP is pulling in 23 XJT pilots this month. They are contracted at 25% of United new hires.

Can you clarify this?

Are you saying 23 pilots went to UAL on the CPP this month? March was the last class we ran, with the next new hire class NEXT month.

calmwinds 05-23-2018 03:59 AM


Originally Posted by Aviatormar (Post 2600152)
What was said that excluded Phx pilots? Can someone post the memo? Also what if you came into Mesa with 4000 hours already (2300 tpic)? 4 year degree?
Sorry for the crappy post- sitting middle seat on a 73.... large people stink

One must be “exclusively a United Express Pilot for Mesa” for the last 12 months. One must have “2,000 PIC or 3,000 total time flying for Mesa Airlines”.

Except for turning over all your detailed training and attendance records at Mesa to United, the rest of the requirements for qualifying are set by United and they will review your application.

calmwinds 05-23-2018 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2600160)
Can you clarify this?

Are you saying 23 pilots went to UAL on the CPP this month? March was the last class we ran, with the next new hire class NEXT month.

United is saying they plan to hire 500 pilots per year. 25% are committed to XJT. Rumor is 10% are committed to Mesa.

The math seems pretty simple as to how many Mesa pilots will go to United per year. 50 per year.

XJT is reporting 23 just took advantage of the program, probably entering next month’s new hire class for United.

Sennant 05-23-2018 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2600270)
One must be “exclusively a United Express Pilot for Mesa” for the last 12 months. One must have “2,000 PIC or 3,000 total time flying for Mesa Airlines”.

Except for turning over all your detailed training and attendance records at Mesa to United, the rest of the requirements for qualifying are set by United and they will review your application.


To be clear it says:
"Pilots must also maintain at least 12 months of exclusively flying as United Express at Mesa Airlines"


It doesn't say the LAST 12 months. Just says have 12 months.

calmwinds 05-23-2018 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by Sennant (Post 2600317)
To be clear it says:
"Pilots must also maintain at least 12 months of exclusively flying as United Express at Mesa Airlines"


It doesn't say the LAST 12 months. Just says have 12 months.

Correct. My error. It does use a present tense verb in describing the one must be exclusively a United Express Pilot —- which may imply a pilot must be based in IAD or IAH now.


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