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Originally Posted by andili61 (Post 2562504)

Well, when ALPA used to publish hiring numbers using pie charts, 45% of United new hires came from XJT. Then, CPP was implemented and that number reduced drastically. CPP is not a recruiting tool for United, but rather, a system to attract, retain, and control United's regionals staffing

Last one was I saw was, of the regional pilot demographic XJT made up 31%.

Not of all pilots hired

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Originally Posted by andili61 (Post 2562537)

I don't know the terms of your CPP contract. In XJT only ERJ pilots working for United express were allowed to go into the CPP. I don't know Mesa's terms. Nonetheless, I wouldn't be surprised that CRJ are not allowed. But I don't know.

CRJ Pilots in IAD will be allowed per the video on the Mesa website.

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Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2562641)

CRJ Pilots in IAD will be allowed per the video on the Mesa website.

The Mesa website was updated to indicate a pilot needs to be a UAX pilot for the last 12 months in order to be eligible for the United CPP program. What will this do for IAH and IAD bases?

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Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2565860)

The Mesa website was updated to indicate a pilot needs to be a UAX pilot for the last 12 months in order to be eligible for the United CPP program. What will this do for IAH and IAD bases?

1. Where do you see that?
2. Way to screw over the rest of us who worked for United for years.

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Originally Posted by Sennant (Post 2565864)

1. Where do you see that?
2. Way to screw over the rest of us who worked for United for years.

It is listed on the Mesa website under United CPP program eligibility.

http://www.mesa-air.com/content.aspx?pageID=31342&CNM=United%20Airlines%20 Career%20Path%20Program

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Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2565860)

The Mesa website was updated to indicate a pilot needs to be a UAX pilot for the last 12 months in order to be eligible for the United CPP program. What will this do for IAH and IAD bases?

Wow I really thought they might throw us guys that had previously served under United a bone. It’s almost no reason not to only a small number of people meet the qualifications and only some will want to interview and even then not everyone will get a job offer.

What a deplorable shame. They thought they had retention problems on the United side, watch what happens on the American side now.

Par for course.

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Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 2566072)

What a deplorable shame. They thought they had retention problems on the United side, watch what happens on the American side now.

Par for course.

I suspect this was insisted on by United. It is the same policy United has at the other regionals with a CPP. United isn’t interested in helping American bases retain regional pilots. So, this really isn’t a “hiring United pilots program” as much as it is a “attract new UAX regional pilots and retain UAX regional pilots program”. All regionals flying under UAX colors don’t have a CPP. I wonder why.

It has a big enough draw, and enough United pilots are hired through it, that Xjet pilots stick with Xjet for years to get their United interview. So, it works in how the program was intended. It attracts new UAX regional pilots and retains UAX regional pilots. For Xjet, this has to be a disaster, now a Mesa pilots gets the one benefit that Xjet touted as uniquely Xjet’s. With 6 year upgrades, what does Xjet have to offer a new pilot? Flying a 145? An ever shrinking base structure?

I know why they did it, but it also goes against the very idea of collective bargaining.

Suddenly half our pilot group has substantially different benefits.

Hmm, your retention problems are going to skyrocket as you slowly move to out station basing and everyone ends up with a two leg commute.