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deltajuliet 03-31-2018 10:33 AM

If it is only for UAX pilots, there’ll be a mutiny.

calmwinds 03-31-2018 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 2562383)
If it is only for UAX pilots, there’ll be a mutiny.

What’s new? Every week there is a new mutiny.

andili61 03-31-2018 12:16 PM

The CPP is the strategy that United has in order to recruit pilots to its regional feeders. Companies flying as United Express are the bottom regionals of the industry. Hence, United is concern about staffing such regionals, and CPP is the best idea they have come up with. Don't forget that United plans to grow capacity, around 6 percent each year, for the next 3 years. This growth is based mainly on regionals. XJT's CPP is 25%, and XJT has only sent 100 pilots in 2 years of CPP. 50 a year, or 4 a month. If we parallel this numbers, at 10%, Mesa will send 20 pilots a year. If you are pilot with senority of 200, it may take you 10 years. Given that everybody qualifies and remains employed for such a long time.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...meback-445701/

John Carr 03-31-2018 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by andili61 (Post 2562433)
The CPP is the strategy that United has in order to recruit pilots to its regional feeders. Companies flying as United Express are the bottom regionals of the industry. Hence, United is concern about staffing such regionals, and CPP is the best idea they have come up with. Don't forget that United plans to grow capacity, around 6 percent each year, for the next 3 years. This growth is based mainly on regionals. XJT's CPP is 25%, and XJT has only sent 100 pilots in 2 years of CPP. 50 a year, or 4 a month. If we parallel this numbers, at 10%, Mesa will send 20 pilots a year. If you are pilot with senority of 200, it may take you 10 years. Given that everybody qualifies and remains employed for such a long time.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...meback-445701/

Pretty much spot on.

checklist 03-31-2018 01:07 PM

Sign a release permitting United Airlines access to relevant work records on file with Mesa Airlines.

Just don't call in sick for the next six to eight years and you're in! ;)

calmwinds 03-31-2018 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by andili61 (Post 2562433)
The CPP is the strategy that United has in order to recruit pilots to its regional feeders. Companies flying as United Express are the bottom regionals of the industry. Hence, United is concern about staffing such regionals, and CPP is the best idea they have come up with. Don't forget that United plans to grow capacity, around 6 percent each year, for the next 3 years. This growth is based mainly on regionals. XJT's CPP is 25%, and XJT has only sent 100 pilots in 2 years of CPP. 50 a year, or 4 a month. If we parallel this numbers, at 10%, Mesa will send 20 pilots a year. If you are pilot with senority of 200, it may take you 10 years. Given that everybody qualifies and remains employed for such a long time.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...meback-445701/

Mesa is already sending at least half that number now on an annual basis to United.

The Mesa pilots who are qualified will have moved on long before 10 years if United doesn’t hire them. And, it is my belief that only about 25% of our pilot base will meet United’s basic qualifications: a clean PRIA, no training or FAA failures, 4 year degree, etc.

andili61 03-31-2018 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2562458)
Mesa is already sending at least half that number now on an annual basis to United.

The Mesa pilots who are qualified will have moved on long before 10 years if United doesn’t hire them. And, it is my belief that only about 25% of our pilot base will meet United’s basic qualifications: a clean PRIA, no training or FAA failures, 4 year degree, etc.

Well, when ALPA used to publish hiring numbers using pie charts, 45% of United new hires came from XJT. Then, CPP was implemented and that number reduced drastically. CPP is not a recruiting tool for United, but rather, a system to attract, retain, and control United's regionals staffing

calmwinds 03-31-2018 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by andili61 (Post 2562504)
Well, when ALPA used to publish hiring numbers using pie charts, 45% of United new hires came from XJT. Then, CPP was implemented and that number reduced drastically. CPP is not a recruiting tool for United, but rather, a system to attract, retain, and control United's regionals staffing

Only time will tell for us. United hiring is supposed to increase as retirements and growth continue.

If it is a tool to attract, retain and control their regional’s staffing, then I suspect the video claiming a pilot must be based in IAD or IAH to be accurate. Why would United want to help American attract, retain and control the regional pilots at American’s bases?

andili61 03-31-2018 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2562522)
Only time will tell for us. United hiring is supposed to increase as retirements and growth continue.

If it is a tool to attract, retain and control their regional’s staffing, then I suspect the video claiming a pilot must be based in IAD or IAH to be accurate. Why would United want to help American attract, retain and control the regional pilots at American’s bases?

Talk to United pilots, ask them what's supposed to come. Ask them about scope relief. Read about Scott Kirby when he was at US airways, American and how he loves regionals. Check United announcements and you'll realize that United is, perhaps, the only major relying on regionals to grow. Here, I give you this link. It's not a secret that United is by far, the airline with less people hired in these last two years.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...meback-445701/

andili61 03-31-2018 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2562522)
Only time will tell for us. United hiring is supposed to increase as retirements and growth continue.

If it is a tool to attract, retain and control their regional’s staffing, then I suspect the video claiming a pilot must be based in IAD or IAH to be accurate. Why would United want to help American attract, retain and control the regional pilots at American’s bases?

I don't know the terms of your CPP contract. In XJT only ERJ pilots working for United express were allowed to go into the CPP. I don't know Mesa's terms. Nonetheless, I wouldn't be surprised that CRJ are not allowed. But I don't know.


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