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airspeedsalive 04-06-2018 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 2566167)
I know why they did it, but it also goes against the very idea of collective bargaining.

Suddenly half our pilot group has substantially different benefits.

This is exactly right. If this is something the company wants, it should be negotiated.
They want to offer this to the UAX side but the Eagle side can’t particpate? Fine, let’s negotiate a retention bonus for the Eagle side for example. For God’s try to negotiate something!

This is carrot to bring in new hires, it has little to do with pilots on the property.

No Land 3 04-06-2018 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by airspeedsalive (Post 2566187)
This is exactly right. If this is something the company wants, it should be negotiated.
They want to offer this to the UAX side but the Eagle side can’t particpate? Fine, let’s negotiate a retention bonus for the Eagle side for example. For God’s try to negotiate something!

This is carrot to bring in new hires, it has little to do with pilots on the property.

You’d think they would care about pilot retention, the truth is the opposite. They hate pilots with seniority. They cost more money. They do not care about experience. They want filled new hire classes with fast upgrades. Keeps their costs lower, and gives an incentive for people to come through the door. They purposely don’t care about people already in, they want them to leave.

calmwinds 04-06-2018 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2566179)
Hmm, your retention problems are going to skyrocket as you slowly move to out station basing and everyone ends up with a two leg commute.

If that happens, sure. Right now, ATL appears it will go senior based on the number of pilots that already two leg commute where ATL will reduce commuting.

Look, we have our eyes wide open. Great Lakes has shut down due to lack of pilots. Other regionals will follow suit as the shortage worsens. And, when Great Lakes bit the dust, the regionals circled like vultures offering class dates without interviews.

Many of us are simply watching what happens next. Opportunities are out there.

No Land 3 04-06-2018 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2566202)
If that happens, sure. Right now, ATL appears it will go senior based on the number of pilots that already two leg commute where ATL will reduce commuting.

Look, we have our eyes wide open. Great Lakes has shut down due to lack of pilots. Other regionals will follow suit as the shortage worsens. And, when Great Lakes bit the dust, the regionals circled like vultures offering class dates without interviews.

Many of us are simply watching what happens next. Opportunities are out there.

That’s the most important thing, keep your eyes open, and pounce on any opportunity that comes. Those who hesitate will get trapped.

calmwinds 04-06-2018 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by airspeedsalive (Post 2566187)
This is exactly right. If this is something the company wants, it should be negotiated.
They want to offer this to the UAX side but the Eagle side can’t particpate? Fine, let’s negotiate a retention bonus for the Eagle side for example. For God’s try to negotiate something!

This is carrot to bring in new hires, it has little to do with pilots on the property.

Don’t you think American would have be the major to offer any retention benefits, or a similar program to CPP, since United is offering this at no financial cost to Mesa?

You aren’t sitting in IAH where pilots are looking at the requirements and whether they already meet them. I think it will help at least with retention on the Ejet.

airspeedsalive 04-06-2018 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2566207)
Don’t you think American would have be the major to offer any retention benefits, or a similar program to CPP, since United is offering this at no financial cost to Mesa?

You aren’t sitting in IAH where pilots are looking at the requirements and whether they already meet them. I think it will help at least with retention on the Ejet.

I’d feel the same way if it was AA offering something and the UAX pilots were excluded. If it doesn’t benefit the entire pilot group we shouldn’t want it - just my .02

calmwinds 04-06-2018 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by airspeedsalive (Post 2566241)
I’d feel the same way if it was AA offering something and the UAX pilots were excluded. If it doesn’t benefit the entire pilot group we shouldn’t want it - just my .02

I guess ALPA should sue United and Mesa to stop the CPP program then. I doubt ALPA reps had a lot to say about the program before it was inked.

What happens to pilots if Mesa loses the United Ejet contract? Do all these pilots just get furloughed since there is no Ejets for them to fly?

calmwinds 04-06-2018 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2566204)
That’s the most important thing, keep your eyes open, and pounce on any opportunity that comes. Those who hesitate will get trapped.

I am not going to pounce on any opportunity. I looked briefly at Republic. Then, it became clear that IAH was going to be a senior base and upgrading there would set me back. They became a non-starter.

PhantomHawk 04-06-2018 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 2566167)
I know why they did it, but it also goes against the very idea of collective bargaining..

Collective bargaining is for contractual issues. There is NOTHING contractual about the CPP. The mainline partner is in FULL control of how things go down, and it can vanish in a second. Personally, I agree with keeping it exclusive to UAX pilots, but my opinion isn’t really relevant to your carrier’s operation. I think it’s bizarre that United included a company who serves its competition for this program, but that’s also irrelevant.

SilentLurker 04-06-2018 09:26 AM

United CPP comes to Mesa
 

Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2566256)
I am not going to pounce on any opportunity. I looked briefly at Republic. Then, it became clear that IAH was going to be a senior base and upgrading there would set me back. They became a non-starter.



Who will Republic fly for in the new IAH base?

FWIW I’m sure it will not remain a small base for very long after opening.

Some explain how could upgrading or sitting CA Rsv being home-based set someone back?


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